improv and stop play like a gun machine

[davidpadilha]

Hey guys

Well, i'm very sad with my technique because i play bass for long time and i used to listen hardcore and all **** that bassists plays like a gun machine ( xxxxxxxx-yyyyyyyy ), 6 months ago i leave this kind of music and started classes, a lot of technique exercises because my technique wasn't clean and some scales ( major and pentatonic ).

I started to listen new bass players lik Jaco, Miller, Francis Rocco ( this rocks ), Paul Stanley, some reggae music.

Nowaday i know how to do a fag groove with root, fifth and third...and always is boring, nothing fast...a very simple groove and always the same beat, i need some tips how to make better grooves with more notes, something not bored and bass lines for my rock band without stay only on root like ( GGGGGGG-AAAAAAAA or GGGGDCAG-AAAAEAEA my lines are so boring lol ).

Thx

[meev992]

[fettbass]

Paul Stanley?

[Beast]

www.studybass.com

www.activebass.com

www.cliffengel.com

check out the book "Bass Bible". Tons of examples.

[kesslari]

Paul Gilbert had a technique where he put 3 guitar picks on an electric drill and played with that.
Sounds like just the ticket for ya...

[hunta]

Originally Posted by davidpadilha

Nowaday i know how to do a fag groove

???

[Noshtero]

Wow guys, be a little more high and mighty on this poor guy.

I would suggest you get a bass book and start learning the various modes. If you're stuck in a standard root-third-fifth-octave pattern, the modes are going to be your ticket to what other notes you could play.

Sometimes just simply moving up to the next octave is going to give you a more interesting bass line. So instead of going root-third-fifth-root, go root-third-third in the next octave up-octave... so in numbers if 1=root and 8=octave above root, instead of doing:
1-3-5-8
1-3-5-8

Do
1-3-5-10
8-3-5-1

Or something..... play with it


And watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU5XxjSp2QE&feature=user

[Slax]

Yep, as Noshtero says, learn your scales and modes inside and out. Then you can have a mental image of all the notes you have available on any position of any scale. Also, neighbor notes, accidentals, inversions, and dynamic rhythm keep things from getting dry.

At a very basic example, walking from G - D - G - D in G major. (Both D & G would both be major chords then)


(All quarter notes...)

G B C C# | D E F F# | G F# E D | F# E D B
G          D          G          D

Just some food for thought...

[iceshaft07]

Don't forget to use "techniques" such as syncopation, vibrato, string bending, staccato and dead notes.

If what you are playing sounds dull, move one or two notes up (or down) an octave (just don't interfere with anyone).

Also, and this is important: rests are just as meaningful as notes. Sometimes silence is the key. Don't consider it to be not playing, think of it as playing silence.

Try playing softer, and when a song picks up, play a little harder.

Also, try something rhythm oriented, such as:

1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &
Q R E Q r

Q = Quarter note
E = Eighth note
R = Quarter Rest
r = Eighth rest

With something like that, you don't even need to play different notes to make it sound interesting.

[PocketGroove82]

Originally Posted by davidpadilha

Nowaday i know how to do a fag groove with root, fifth and third...

Last I checked, the FAG groove was the Root, Third, and Second in F Maj.

[bonzo4880]

ROTFLOL

[BuffaloBass]

High and mightly, naw brothers, I;m way tooo LOOOOOOWWWWW for that.

Dont think English is the cat's mother tongue. No problem. FOr beginning bassists, keeping it simple and staying " in the pocket" is the correct solution. Young players tend to embellish incorrectly, and often, too much.

Keep it simple, but add a bit of favor like "ghosting" into the root note, you know, like a " da-Bum', whrere the "da" is simply a finger on a muted string on the eighth note beat just before the first note, or small synciopated time changes like that, or listen to the drums, pick out part of the kit and ride on it like its a prom queen, could be the snare, the ride, the hi-hat, whatever, lock onto it, and ride it form a few bars. You'll start building a great feel like that.

That is where I would go from where you are David, still simple, but with some time "complexity" or "groove" added.

Keep up the Good Work!

[davidpadilha]

LOL .. sorry for bad english

Its Stanley Clarke, i dont know why i wrote 'Paul Stanley' lol

Last I checked, the FAG groove was the Root, Third, and Second in F Maj.

You're right, but when i try to do something to leave root note, i only use third and fifth and maybe anoter note to move to root again, something like GGGDBAG..it's boring...

FOr beginning bassists, keeping it simple and staying " in the pocket" is the correct solution. Young players tend to embellish incorrectly, and often, too much.

Keep it simple, but add a bit of favor like "ghosting" into the root note, you know, like a " da-Bum', whrere the "da" is simply a finger on a muted string on the eighth note beat just before the first note, or small synciopated time changes like that, or listen to the drums, pick out part of the kit and ride on it like its a prom queen, could be the snare, the ride, the hi-hat, whatever, lock onto it, and ride it form a few bars. You'll start building a great feel like that.

Hm, i'll try it...sorry for bad english, it's not my language and i was a long time without write topics

I have some knowledgement but don't know how to use that...i'll try suggestions here

Thx

[Bass Tees]

Knowledgement. That is awesome.

Just teasing you man... good luck with the grooves.

[davec]

find some Wayne Cochran & CC Riders to listen to Jaco in a "band setting" if you play like he did as a soloist you will get fired. Listen to Marcus Millers work with David Sanborn.
Best of luck

[davidpadilha]

hm..but i want to do my grooves as soloist with my computer, can you tell me good soloist and great bass players in a band?

[davec]

Jaco was great in a band setting as well, but I find it very different than what he did in a solo situation. Its a simple reality of playing bass, If you get one solo a gig your pretty lucky.

As far as soloing with computer, listen to as many horn players as you can stand as well as solo bassist.