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08-24-2008, 06:06 PM
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I want to make richer lines for some of my solo stuff and i find it very hard to get jazzy style lines mostly because to my think the scales i comonly use are the basics for funk, punk and rock and i dont know any that resemble those lines i comonly hear in jazz players when soloing.
So i would apreciate if you guys could provide me with some jazz scales, modes, videos you might find good to learn and songs so i can start dominating this gengre of music.
Thx in advance, Alex. |
08-24-2008, 06:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: southern cal | | | use the key/chords of each particular song to guide your scale/mode choice. think more about each scale giving you options as opposed to following a particular rule. the basic modes are always a good place to start, and when in doubt, quote the melody.
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08-24-2008, 07:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Somewhere in Canada | | | I don't know how popular the song Bellavia by Chuck Mangione is, but we played that song in our school band. I was given a bass solo, so obviously it had to be more melodic them my improvised solo for Rubberband Man the previous year LOL. So, I played along some of the notes that were in the melody, not exactly the same however, and eventually I was able to write a solo with it. So quoting the melody, or at least using it to come up with something, is an excellent idea that I found worked quite well. Maybe I'll post that on YouTube someday, in case I ever forget the solo.
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08-24-2008, 07:46 PM
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08-24-2008, 10:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney | | | I could give you hundreds of scales and say "hey this is a jazz scale" but that won't make you know how to use them or even make you any good at playing jazz. Playing jazz, or any other type of music is not about the scales you use.It's about knowing how and when to apply not just scales but chords arpeggios and so on to the context of the music.
If you really want to know how to play jazz, I suggest you either go and buy yourself a bunch of books on jazz theory, get yourself a decent teacher who knows how to approach jazz, or do both. I would suggest you put a good teacher before buying a bunch of books, but doing both is definitely a good idea. |
08-24-2008, 10:38 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I been everywhere, man... | | | The best idea is to sit down and actually listen to some Jazz.
I could very easily tell you to work on your melodic minor, diminished whole tone, and super locrian scales, but they key to the Jazz sound is more than scales.
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08-24-2008, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis I want to make richer lines for some of my solo stuff and i find it very hard to get jazzy style lines mostly because to my think the scales i comonly use are the basics for funk, punk and rock and i dont know any that resemble those lines i comonly hear in jazz players when soloing.
So i would apreciate if you guys could provide me with some jazz scales, modes, videos you might find good to learn and songs so i can start dominating this gengre of music.
Thx in advance, Alex. | Listen to Jazz on the internet or internet radio, or radio station. I think that is the first and best place to start. I don't think you'll be "dominating" this genre of music anytime soon. It is a lifelong study...
Context is everything, and the more you listen to Jazz, I think the more this will become apparent to you, hopefully.
Good luck with it.
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08-25-2008, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 20db pad The best idea is to sit down and actually listen to some Jazz.
I could very easily tell you to work on your melodic minor, diminished whole tone, and super locrian scales, but they key to the Jazz sound is more than scales. | Amen.
Also... go to www.jazzbooks.com and download the pdf files of scales. And while your there, get familiar with all the books and CD's that Jamie has to offer.
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08-25-2008, 01:30 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brooklyn, NY | | | I highly recommend the Jazz Theory Book, by Mark Levine. For the cost of a single lesson you will own a thorough, yet very digestible manual on the language of Jazz. It's killing. |
08-25-2008, 02:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MD | | | Asking for a jazz scale is like asking for a classical power chord. They both exist, but you're missing a huge part of the picture.
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08-25-2008, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HaVIC5 Asking for a jazz scale is like asking for a classical power chord. They both exist, but you're missing a huge part of the picture. | I want some guidelines to aply jazzy paters to some of my solos.
Thx to all who have answered so far. |
08-25-2008, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Reuben I highly recommend the Jazz Theory Book, by Mark Levine. For the cost of a single lesson you will own a thorough, yet very digestible manual on the language of Jazz. It's killing. | I checked it, at 25 USD it isnt expensive at all, but im wondering if its bass oriented or if it int oriented at any specific instrument? |
08-25-2008, 03:17 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bilbao España | | This is the kind of stuff i mean i would like to learn to play and aply, this kind of patern (before the double thumping part): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWVIh...eature=related
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08-25-2008, 03:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I been everywhere, man... | | | The Jazz Theory Book isn't aimed at any instrument in particular, but as with many theory books there are numerous examples that are meant to be played on piano.
The JT book is very deep and intensive, but it covers a lot of harmony and chord structure and how to source line-oriented material out of it. It doesn't have a lot of licks or riffs to play. There are many good books that cover Jazz patterns and riffs. The Charlie Parker Omnibook is a good start, or look online for ii-V-I bebop patterns.
Listening deeply to Jazz and copping a few ideas is still the best way to go.
As great as that Baudin Super Mario thing is, it isn't Jazz.
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08-25-2008, 03:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: 97465 | | Speaking of Aebersold, here are some free ideas/articles to gaze through about jazz.
Levine's book is great. Better studied on piano, but ideas are for all instruments.
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08-25-2008, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 20db pad The Jazz Theory Book isn't aimed at any instrument in particular, but as with many theory books there are numerous examples that are meant to be played on piano.
The JT book is very deep and intensive, but it covers a lot of harmony and chord structure and how to source line-oriented material out of it. It doesn't have a lot of licks or riffs to play. There are many good books that cover Jazz patterns and riffs. The Charlie Parker Omnibook is a good start, or look online for ii-V-I bebop patterns.
Listening deeply to Jazz and copping a few ideas is still the best way to go.
As great as that Baudin Super Mario thing is, it isn't Jazz. |
I was puting that link into another thread and got it here by accident, i fixed it. |
08-25-2008, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vene-nemesis I was puting that link into another thread and got it here by accident, i fixed it. |  I hate when that happens!!
When I was posting the link for you above, I almost posted a skatepark article I was gonna post on TB last night!
I'm thankful for the "Preview Post" button. I now make a reg habit of using it after some embarrassing posts! 
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