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06-19-2010, 12:02 PM
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06-19-2010, 12:03 PM
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06-19-2010, 12:11 PM
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06-19-2010, 01:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington, DC | | | Yeah, I also thought that Monk with Art Blakey was right on. I've been listening to Impressions by Coltrane, Limehouse Blues by Django, and Dig by Miles and I'm thinking, "Really?" The ability of a bassist to keep time and play counterpoint at these tempos is impressive. I'm following along at half tempo and just running out of ideas.
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06-19-2010, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rockambo  Yeah, I also thought that Monk with Art Blakey was right on. I've been listening to Impressions by Coltrane, Limehouse Blues by Django, and Dig by Miles and I'm thinking, "Really?" The ability of a bassist to keep time and play counterpoint at these tempos is impressive. I'm following along at half tempo and just running out of ideas. | Ray Brown playing with Oscar Peterson is another example. Might not usually be as syncopated as Monk but Oscar loved those breakneck tempo pieces.
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06-19-2010, 01:35 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eastern Wisconsin | | | I think Beethoven's tempos were just absurd. What was he thinking?
And also, every swedish black metal song I've ever heard has been in a totally inappropriate time signature.
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06-19-2010, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSuzie Ray Brown playing with Oscar Peterson is another example. Might not usually be as syncopated as Monk but Oscar loved those breakneck tempo pieces. | Yeah, Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen's (how ever you say that) work with Oscar Peterson were some of the first jazz basslines that I really listened to. I recently saw the Oscar documentary and he wasn't even mentioned.
Anyway, my point is that presumably the bassist is improvising his line for the entirety of the song. While I'm sure that there are quite a number of goto phrasings, that's alot of in-the-moment thinking at 200+ bpm.
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06-21-2010, 04:49 PM
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06-21-2010, 04:59 PM
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06-23-2010, 01:52 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: MD | | Check out this article by Irish bassist Ronan Guilfoyle. http://ronanguil.blogspot.com/2010/0...ast-tempo.html
Basically, he says that jazz tempos these days get no where near as fast as they once did. 200-250 is "bright medium" for the old school guys, but for a lot of players these days, that's fast.
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09-23-2010, 11:04 AM
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09-23-2010, 11:13 AM
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09-23-2010, 11:47 AM
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09-23-2010, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rockambo Yeah, I also thought that Monk with Art Blakey was right on. I've been listening to Impressions by Coltrane, Limehouse Blues by Django, and Dig by Miles and I'm thinking, "Really?" The ability of a bassist to keep time and play counterpoint at these tempos is impressive. I'm following along at half tempo and just running out of ideas. | I used "Dig" as an audition piece to get into my college jazz band. Even at about 150bpm it kicked my arse.
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09-23-2010, 12:56 PM
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09-23-2010, 01:13 PM
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Fast is 300bpm+
Try reading through Sammy Nestico's "Wind Machine", done at about 320bpm. Clifford Brown's "Cherokee- Live at the Beehive" or his "What Am I here For?" Or playing Leigh Harris' "Cloudburst" (iTunes has it), and she scats at 318bpm!
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09-23-2010, 01:15 PM
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10-01-2010, 04:27 AM
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That's a young (40+) Marshall Hawkins on bass pumping them out for about seven and a half minutes straight. He's over 70 now, but he can still do it.
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10-01-2010, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by azureblue Fast is 300bpm+ Clifford Brown's "Cherokee"... | This tune is ridiculous. This version seems to be around 330bpm. I've done it with a combo at 270 and could barely keep up. The melody it tantalizingly simple, the changes are not bad (it modulates a bit but never gets complicated) but at a tempo over 250 bpm it's very humbling. |
10-01-2010, 08:06 AM
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