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Old 06-18-2010, 01:53 PM
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I have recently started playing bass and I am still very much a beginner.. One problem I am having is because I have small hands, I have to bend my wrist quite a bit just to get my hand to bend around G D and A strings and spread my fingers across the 5 6 7 and 8 frets. This is causing wrist pain and is really discouraging me from practicing more. I practice standing up with a the strap as high as it can go, the strings are just above my belly button and I angle the fretboard as high as it will go, and I still have to reach quite a bit... Anyone have any suggestions, exercises, or possible solutions?
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Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkSsapYYsA
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I have recently started playing bass and I am still very much a beginner.. One problem I am having is because I have small hands, I have to bend my wrist quite a bit just to get my hand to bend around G D and A strings and spread my fingers across the 5 6 7 and 8 frets. This is causing wrist pain and is really discouraging me from practicing more. I practice standing up with a the strap as high as it can go, the strings are just above my belly button and I angle the fretboard as high as it will go, and I still have to reach quite a bit... Anyone have any suggestions, exercises, or possible solutions?
Make the strap longer, an inch at a time, until your wrist is straight enough to play without pain. Your left hand should be slightly curved when fretting notes near the tips of your fingers. The joint just before your finger nail should be bent forwards, not backwards. You will need to practice in front of a mirror to see the shape of your left hand.

Thanks to Dave Clark at The Berklee College of Music for the lesson in ergonomics.
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Old 06-18-2010, 04:46 PM
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WOW.. Rotating my thumb 45 degrees helped DRAMATICALLY. My hand can stretch even farther now and my fingers hit the notes more accurately. Are there any unforeseen technical problems with playing this way?
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After playing for a little while, even know that method helped, my wrist keeps hurting.. I cannot spread any 4 frets without bending my wrist..
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:24 PM
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* curve your fingers, fret with the tips
* adjust your bass strap height and or angle the headstock up so its easy to reach


If your fingers can't reach the fret move your hand up the neck. it's allowed.
Don't freeze your left hand and palm in place while trying to reach with just your fingers.
You don't have to keep each finger exactly on its fret, once the next finger comes down.
You only need to fret one note at a time.
You can relax and move your left hand and thumb as needed to accomplish that.

Watch for the death grip:
Many beginners have no clue how little pressure is actually required to fret.

Gary Willis also wrote about it his 101 bass tips book.

The exercise is simple:

1.) fret a note, and start plucking ( fret cleanly: on top/just behind the fret)
2.) as you pluck, slowly decrease your left hand pressure
3.) eventually you will ease up too far and the string will buzz/rattle against the fret
4.) as you pluck, slowly increase the pressure until the note rings cleanly again. This is "the minimum pressure required to fret a note"
5.) repeat 2-4 over and over again, paying close attention to how your hand feels at the moment you start/stop buzzing.

The point is to familiarize your brain and left hand muscles with that magic pressure point so that you know how much to relax, when you notice your death grip kicking in.

As mentioned elsewhere, this is an awareness that you must develop as much it is a muscle skill. You must spend some playing time consciously thinking about easing up , and eventually is becomes more of a natural sensitivity than a a conscious effort.

Gary Willis himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHEq...eature=related

also, you don't have to always use 1 finger per fret. look into using "124" aka "Simandl" aka "upright" fingering in the lower frets. Lots of players use 124 in teh lower frets and 1234 higher up.

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I'm definitely not death-gripping, I'm pretty comfortable with the pressure used to fret.. Could it be that I just haven't developed my hand/wrist muscles fully yet and that is just strain from stretching them?
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I'm definitely not death-gripping, I'm pretty comfortable with the pressure used to fret.. Could it be that I just haven't developed my hand/wrist muscles fully yet and that is just strain from stretching them?
nope. you should NEVER feel pain.

i strongly suggest finding a good teacher who knows good technique. if you can't do that, then i strongly suggest studying youtube vids of top jazz players to see what they do. you are doing something wrong if you're still getting pain, and unless you want to keep having pain, you need to get it straightened out pronto.
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WOW.. Rotating my thumb 45 degrees helped DRAMATICALLY. My hand can stretch even farther now and my fingers hit the notes more accurately. Are there any unforeseen technical problems with playing this way?
None I'm aware of. When I first saw that video a month or two ago I did a double-take - Havic5's method is almost exactly what I've done naturally & by accident all the time I've been playing (28 years). So far, no grief, & never had any wrist pain. I got lucky I guess.

I do recall a long period of incremental strap adjustment, as suggested by 251. If you haven't already, get a strap with a sliding buckle adjuster & move the thing about until you find what fits. We're all built differently so there's not really a "right" answer to this one - except that it shouldn't hurt.

Mambo4's right (IMO) about Spreading as well - have a look at Duck Dunn in 1967:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_mKy-a6d1I

He's still at it today, no bits have fallen off & the guy's a total legend, so it's valid for him & might be for you too.

How wide is your strap & how heavy is your bass? It could be that you're inadvertently putting pressure on your shoulder - this can manifest as a stabbing pain in your wrist. I have to watch this when I drag my Explorer out, the geometry of the thing is so odd that it's very easy to get cramped up.

If none of the recommendations/suggestions here work for you, try a local teacher (one with plenty of gig experience) & if that doesn't work find an orthopaedist or a Registered osteopath & get their advice.

Do NOT try & play through this!

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Old 06-19-2010, 07:13 AM
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I woke up this morning and my wrist still feels sore... This is really discouraging..
I'm using an Ibanez IJXB190 4-String Electric Bass and a pretty comfortable Levi strap about 2"-3" thick and I wear it as high as I can wear it (my bass strings are just above my belly button, and the fretboard is angled up as high as I can make it). My hand is just not big enough to reach my fingers around the strings without bending my wrist...
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I woke up this morning and my wrist still feels sore... This is really discouraging..
I'm using an Ibanez IJXB190 4-String Electric Bass and a pretty comfortable Levi strap about 2"-3" thick and I wear it as high as I can wear it (my bass strings are just above my belly button, and the fretboard is angled up as high as I can make it). My hand is just not big enough to reach my fingers around the strings without bending my wrist...
As the Ibby has a Basswood body, I'd be surprised if it was particularly heavy - so it sounds as though your problem might be posture-related.

Take a couple of days out & let your wrist rest, maybe wallop an ice pack on it for a bit. Then try lowering the strap a few inches until it's waay too low... gradually raise it one notch at a time. Try & keep the angle about 20 degrees off the horizontal.

Somewhere there's a position where everything will fit just so - experiment 'til you find it.

If, the next time you try playing, the pain comes back, STOP & seek professional advice.

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