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Old 12-12-2010, 10:19 AM
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So I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen but for some reason I have noticed I play WAAAYYY better when I am playing with other people as opposed to by myself. Its like night and day, and guess I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how I can play well when I practice as well as with other people?

I mean when i play with other people im just killer, I enjoy it much more and play really well. When i'm by myself though, I just can't get into it. I cant play with the same feeling i do live, and i cant hit the kind of lines I can pull off with other people playing. I think its just because for the past few years I haven't had much practice time between rehearsals/gigs/getting through school etc...
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Old 12-12-2010, 11:07 AM
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There you have the answer play with more people and less on your own. Music and in particular your skills and knowledge need application and in a form that you cannot pre determine. When practising on your own you are using your own imagination to create and play, when playing with others you are not so you have to adapt. That means listening to what is happening, analyse it and come up with an answer in the blink of an eye.

Now the general story is that when playing in new situations the first few times are the best because that's when you get the most info to react to, so you play good or bad. it soes not matter which one good or bad it is because you will learn and adapt it in to the next situation. When this applies to a song in a jam situation, then the first few times all players are "ears on". Then as the all settle for what works "ears turn off" and so the spontaneity of the playing goes and it eventually becomes stale of boring. This is common at jam sessions the same songs and the same players doing what the can do[html] best, which is to play what the know.

This is where the influence of a teacher or another player comes in, they make you think different, so in fact that makes you approach your playing different. yes you can copy other players and learn styles but that is great for discipline and playing in bands, but it is not learning to improve musical skills as such, it is just collecting information to reproduce. To do this own your own you need to listen to diverse forms of music to what you know, appreciate how it works and see if any of it can be used by you in your playing. It is surprising the results and similarites other forms of music come up with when compares to what you know...after all it is the same notes and maybe just different time sigs, keys, tempos is enough to spark you thinking.

I was once told that a collection of flowers and plants does not make a good garden..it is a collection of flowers and plants. The same can be said for music and techniques, when put together they don't always make a good song. We all need the outside influence of others to help us see what can be.
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:35 PM
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yes.... what Fergie said. It's all about communication.

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Old 12-13-2010, 06:25 AM
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wow those are great explanations! part of the reason I love this site so much...I've definately realized over time it really is all about the communication. And for me its also about feeding off of whatever the other players are doing.
Because the Bass is in more of a supporting role most of the time I think I have just gotten much better at reading what the other players are trying to say...and not just technically but what they are trying to say behind the notes if that makes sense.

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yes you can copy other players and learn styles but that is great for discipline and playing in bands, but it is not learning to improve musical skills as such, it is just collecting information to reproduce. To do this own your own you need to listen to diverse forms of music to what you know, appreciate how it works and see if any of it can be used by you in your playing.
Thats actually really great advice. I used to be much better about listening to as many different styles as possible but I guess I havent been as good about it lately.

Also, If you guys dont mind im gonna give you a specific example though and maybe you guys can help me out:

When playing with other musicians, I can play Neo-Soul/R&B/Funk really well. Its kinda my thing. There are tons of tough basslines I can hit perfectly with my eyes closed, and get a really awesome tone while doing them. Really manage to hit my bass' "sweet spot". I've even started being able to pull off a reasonably musical solo live. Now here is the problem...I can't play those basslines when I'm alone trying to practice them! And as if that wasn't enough I cant get that same tone (even with the exact same equipment, settings...etc) and its starting to bug me. I mean obviously I start slowly, practice in sections etc....but they just never have as much feeling behind them, or even the correct technique. Now if i understand what you are trying to tell me correctly, you are stating that this is just because I haven't played those particular lines with other musicians enough? and then once i get experience playing them with OTHER people ill be able to play them on my own?
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Old 12-13-2010, 06:28 AM
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I think when you are having more fun, you are more into it and will play better. It's like when you get together with your band and everyone is pissed off, it kinda sucks, but when everyone is in a good mood and looking forward to it, nothing is better.
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