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08-18-2008, 01:22 PM
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hi guys! and girls  !
I´m looking for a bass book about polyrhythmic bass playing.
You know... meshuggah style and that 
Are there any good books for that ? I searched on amazon but with no luck!
If you´ve got any suggestions... please tell me
cya!
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08-19-2008, 05:05 AM
| | | | hmm noone a idea? |
08-19-2008, 05:07 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Well - you need to define your terms better... 
So people don't really play bass in more than one rhythm at once - a group of people might play in different times etc. 
But I'm not clear what you mean by that term for one instrument?
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08-19-2008, 08:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: South West Sydney | | | you mean like two hand tapping two rhythms? |
08-20-2008, 03:09 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO, U.S. | | | Start tabbing out some Meshuggah? I've never heard of a book on that sort of thing.
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08-20-2008, 03:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Eastern Wisconsin | | | Are you looking at trying to learn how to play a contrasting time against another (as opposed to playing polyrhythmically by yourself ala two hand tapping)? I'd imagine this is what you're talking about since you mentioned Meshuggah. The best thing I can say is to really learn what the others are playing, and then make sure to be able to count, so you can play against their time. Figure out how many measures it'd take until they come back together as well, I've found that makes it easyier, this way you'll know where you're at during other measures as well and places you can put accents.
-Benny
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08-20-2008, 04:09 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by lemur821  Start tabbing out some Meshuggah? I've never heard of a book on that sort of thing. | That's ironically funny - as Tab doesn't contain rhythmic information, so that would be a total waste of time!! 
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08-20-2008, 04:27 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | I think if we are being serious here - then there are many books on the subject - like this one : 
--which can be found through simple Google searches.
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08-20-2008, 04:30 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, Ontario | | | You don't need a book to learn polyrhythmic playing. Set your metronome to have a pulse on every 1st beat in a 4/4 bar, then accent every third beat. Expand from there. Practice, practice, practice. Rinse, repeat. |
08-20-2008, 04:38 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Well there is a long history of polyrhythms - in African drumming, Afro-Cuban music, Indian classical and in Jazz like John Coltrane etc. - there is a huge repertoire out there and most people wouldn't even be aware of it - let alone know how to play it!
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08-20-2008, 02:09 PM
| | | ok thank you guys so far 
I´ll follow your tips! |
08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: iowa | | Meshuggah's music seems more polymetric than polyrhythmic to me...I think the way to go is to work your way through some of their songs, analyze how the parts are put together, and then try to write some exercises in the same style (to play with a metronome or drum machine). You might find these Meshuggah tabs helpful; they show the polymetric structure clearly and they're fairly accurate.
Good luck. |
08-20-2008, 04:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield I think if we are being serious here - then there are many books on the subject - like this one :
--which can be found through simple Google searches. | Ahh! Pete Magadini. Pete definitely knows his polyrhythms!
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08-20-2008, 11:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO, U.S. | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield That's ironically funny - as Tab doesn't contain rhythmic information, so that would be a total waste of time!! |  Transcribing, I mean.
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08-21-2008, 03:55 AM
| | | | hmm maybe i should clarify what I mean.
Because I think I´m a bit wrong with the term "polyrhythmic".
What I mean is a book...excercise help or whatever about that:
For example you start to play in 4/4. Then after 4 times this 4/4 i play 1 time a 5/4.
Is that polyrhytmic or a polymeter?
I´m german... maybe I missunderstood something.
Whould be nice when you explain what that (4/4 and then 5/4) is.
Thanks! |
08-21-2008, 04:25 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Boston, MA | | | I think that's just called changing time signatures...I may be wrong though. |
08-21-2008, 04:42 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maastricht | | | yep, thats changing time signatures, polyrhythms is when two instruments play in different time signatures, most notably drums
meshuggah does this alot, and its a hard trick to pull off |
08-21-2008, 04:51 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Step yep, thats changing time signatures, polyrhythms is when two instruments play in different time signatures, most notably drums
meshuggah does this alot, and its a hard trick to pull off | Elvin Jones was doing this with John Coltrane in the 1960s!!
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08-21-2008, 07:33 AM
| | | | Use percussion books - they are much better for this sort of thing.
I recommend Jerry Leake's books. They are amazing.
Listen to African Mbira music for ideas - as an extension of this, listen to African guitar and bass lines - especially good is Thomas Mapfumo/ Max Mapfumo, the guy from the Bhundu Boys - the grooves that are influenced by the Mbira are very polyrhythmic and have really interesting intervals. |
08-21-2008, 10:33 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Alpharetta (Milton) GA Georgia | | Drum books. Anything by Pete Magadini. This one ( http://www.amazon.com/Polyrhythms-Mu.../dp/0634032836) is considered a classic.
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