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Old 09-07-2006, 04:16 PM
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Hi, I'm a noob and thought this the best forum to pose my question.

I play slap a lot along to music, when I pop the D and G strings they really cut through and are much louder than the E and A strings. When I listen to the tracks I play along with the pops don't cut through like mine do!

I have EQ'd the top and mids right down but lose out clarity on the low tones.

Is my technique wrong? or do the recording studios have elaberate EQ's to cut the pops?

I play a Fender Dimension with P and J config panned mainly to the P pickup.
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Hi, I'm a noob and thought this the best forum to pose my question.

I play slap a lot along to music, when I pop the D and G strings they really cut through and are much louder than the E and A strings. When I listen to the tracks I play along with the pops don't cut through like mine do!

I have EQ'd the top and mids right down but lose out clarity on the low tones.

Is my technique wrong? or do the recording studios have elaberate EQ's to cut the pops?

I play a Fender Dimension with P and J config panned mainly to the P pickup.
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or at least a limiter..........

Other than scooping mids, compression is the best thing for slapping, it will even out the volumes between the slaps on your low strings and the pops on your high strings. On the recordings you have you are hearing very high end studio compessors doing what they do best.
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Old 09-08-2006, 03:48 PM
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Compression?

Forgive my ignoance but how would I go about compression? Is a compressor something I can buy in an effects box or is it built into amps? Do all you guys use a compressor?

Sorry for the 101 questions but I'm a bit wide eyed to it all at the mo!
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It's cool, you find out by asking. Compression can be built in to the amp, a pedal, or a rackmount effect. Also, most multi effects will have one built in.

What it does is set a compression ratio like 4:1 four to one means that whenever your input volume increases or decreases by 4 decibles, the output volume only changes by 1 decible. So if your pops are sounding 4 decibles louder now with 4:1 compression it would only be 1 decible louder.

In laymans terms, it makes all of the notes on your bass sound more equal in volume and smooths out the overall tone of your bass.

An added benefit is as well as making the louder notes quiter, it will also give your notes more sustain because at the same 4:1 ratio, when your note rings and gets 4 decibles quiter, the output of the compressor only get 1 decible quiter. Viola' more sustain. Hope this helps, John
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The answer is practice. You need to practice varying how hard you pop. With practice you'll find you can pop very loud to very low and anywhere in between. You've already seen that popping loud is easy, now get to work on the hard part... control

If you do go the compressor route at this point in your developement chances are you won't spend the time learning how to control your popping manually.

I run my amp's EQ flat. No compressor or limiter needed. Scooping mids can take away a lot of what really carries your sound in the mix... mids.
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Thanks guys, I never really knew you could get that much dynamics from pops so I'll knuckle down and experiment with different strengths. Consistancy is my biggest foe at the moment but I guess as you say practice should remidy that.
I also was thinking of getting a multi effects box so perhaps making sure it has a compressor would be worth while also.
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Thanks guys, I never really knew you could get that much dynamics from pops so I'll knuckle down and experiment with different strengths. Consistancy is my biggest foe at the moment but I guess as you say practice should remidy that.
I also was thinking of getting a multi effects box so perhaps making sure it has a compressor would be worth while also.
Compressors are cool when used as a tool. OTOH when used as a fix or shortcut, there's the problem IMO.

One of the guys I listened to that amazed me when I first started out was Rocco Prestia with Tower of Power. He could pump sixteenth notes with or without dynamic changes so consistently but when I tried to do it I sounded like the audio equivalent of a dork marching with one leg shorter than the other. Over time I fixed that.

Here's a key part of it... practice slow. Don't try to play lines you can play at normal speed. Slow them down and strive for consistency in attack, volume and note duration. It'll probably seem boring at first but before you know it consistency will come.

Experiment with muting, one of the most overlooked techniques on our instrument and one of the most important. You can make a popped note stop immediately with your right or left hand. One of the other things you'll figure out as you go along is that because of the nature of the beast, you really don't have to pluck a string very hard to get whatever volume you need, that's what the amp is for... so work on being able to do what you normally do, at low volume. Learn that kind of control and you'll be way ahead of the game. You'll be able to go from playing super loud to quiet as a mouse, all without touching a knob or using a pedal, just by varying your attack. It really rewards you for the time you put into it.
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Compressors are cool when used as a tool. OTOH when used as a fix or shortcut, there's the problem IMO.
I agree. Effects should enhance tone and technique, not replace them alltogether.
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Don't try to play lines you can play at normal speed. Slow them down and strive for consistency in attack, volume and note duration.
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