Go Back   TalkBass Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Technique [BG]
Register Rules/FAQ/CUP Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Technique [BG] Bass guitar technique discussions


Supporting Membership
Thank You

Latest Supporting Member
Donate to Upgrade Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 12-02-2010, 03:16 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Question Proper Technique for 6 string?

Sign in to disble this ad
Hey guys, before I start I just wanted to say this is my first post and I just joined today, WOO! But I have a serious question to ask ya'll. I've been looking high and low to find an answer but I can't seem to find anything that helps me.. So let me just give you a quick background then I'll tell you what my problem is..

I started playing guitar 2 to 5 years ago(off and on) and recently switched to bass because it's way more fun, and also easier to get in a band! And by recently I mean around 2 to 3 months tops, and I'd say I'm pretty good for being this new to bass. I play a lot of Chili Peppers and I'm trying to learn some Claypool So I decided to get a better bass than my no-name starter bass that I got for $40. I found an Ibanez SR506 6 string bass (around 03-04 model) on craigslist for 220 so I picked it up real quick and in a hurry! It's a great bass, needs some cosmetic work and new strings but it plays great!

And here in lays the problem... I cant figure out the correct technique in order to effectively and safely play the bass. Now I know that the technique is wear your bass up high so it's comfortable and put your thumb on the back of the neck forming a "C" with your hand while you play, but my left wrist(fret hand) just kills me after an hour or so! It's been hurting pretty much since I got the bass a few days ago and every time I play it bothers me again. I don't have carpel tunnel(sp?), at least I didn't a few days ago (I'm only 20 btw, and do my hand stretches often) but I'm not sure what the problem is... It almost feels like I put too much strain on it or almost like a bone that needs to be popped. It's not really a sharp pain, it's more of a soreness and it feels kinda swollen(it's not though just feels like it). So if ya'll can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong I'd really appreciate it! Maybe I just need to work my wrist muscles more so my hand can withstand the pressure. And the only trouble I have with the bass is playing the B string near the lower frets. I also didn't have this problem with my 4 string, but I didn't really use the "proper" technique either, I just did whatever was most comfortable, but on a 6er you don't really have a choice lol

Thanks!!
  #2  
Old 12-02-2010, 04:00 AM
IncX's Avatar
closet rockstar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Philippines
Supporting Member
what i noticed is that the less you rely on your fretting hand's thumb to "push" the strings, the less strain youd put on your hand... i suggest not relying too much on thumb pressure to sound the notes, although i suggest you do it gradually... and it would help if you started with songs that dont require you to fly all over the strings and fretboard.
  #3  
Old 12-02-2010, 04:55 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Ease up on the thumb by letting it find a comfortable position to support the hand and wrist. Check out the link from Adam, apply the ideas and see if it makes a difference. In some players it is almost instant, so give it a try. There is no rule that says your thumb has to be in any set position. Your thumb has to comfortably support the hand and wrist. The reality is there is little or no need to apply pressure to the neck from the thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkSsapYYsA
  #4  
Old 12-02-2010, 06:30 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
I'd second Fergie's advice on this. I gigged for years with a pain similar to what you're describing and now have some permanant damage in the left wrist because of it.

We don't have the same pedagogical tradition on the electric bass that we do on the upright because the instrument is still too new. Also, as pointed out in the video Fergie supplied, there are still too many technical variations among the EB's current virtuosos to really nail down what is a "correct" technique for everyone.

But I think we're starting to converge on what's a "natural" condition for the wrists and hands and that that is a good starting point to defining a "correct" technique for an individual player. We don't have it completely worked out yet, but we're finally starting to get there. Unfortunately, I'm a little bit of a casualty of the "wrong" technique, but the attempts to keep the little I have left have been fairly fruitful.

What I've adopted lately after trying a bunch of different things:
- left hand technique similar to that used by Carole Kaye. The video cited here by Fergie and Adam Nitti's link show a similar method. Basically, whatever it takes to keep my wrist straight and the thumb tending to point towards the headstock. I personally don't use the "pivot" method Carole Kaye talks about because it does crease my wrist too much. Otherwise, I use pretty much the same method.
- right hand technique is the floating thumb illustrated by Todd Johnson. I watched Todd's video on the FT and it was an absolute revelation. I was developing problems in my plucking hand too and this completely eliminated the problem (as well as gave me a good muting technique I can use on any bass).
- whatever instrument that allows me to maintain those positions. Specifically, this involves a will balanced bass (which is one of the reasons I use the Carvin Bunny Brunel).

In other words, I've found for me personally, the natural positions of the wrists and hands to be the least punishing when playing. That doesn't hold for everyone of course, but it works for me so far and has allowed me to resume playing on at least a limited basis.

Finally, don't be afraid to give up the 6 string if you have to. My main bass up until a few weeks ago was my Carvin Bunny 6. But just recently I've found myself drifting back onto my G&L L2000 because I just can't make the 6 work with my left hand over the long term. I can get close, but eventually I have to put it down.

So I finally broke down and ordered a 4 string version and have gone back to my L2000 in the meantime till the Bunny 4 gets here. Those will probably be my main basses from here on out.

My motto, instead of "correct technique", is now "whatever it takes". Basically, whatever it takes for you to mash the strings down on the fingerboard _without injuring yourself_. Anything else is B***s*** in my book. Find the non-painful method that works for you and develop that. Ditch those methods and instruments, etc., that don't work ASAP. Don't listen to anyone, no matter how famous or accomplished, that says "you must do this or else" - run, do not walk, away from those instructors. Go instead to guys like, well, Fergie, , who say "lets find the right technique for you".

Well, you get the idea.

LS

Last edited by unclejane : 12-02-2010 at 06:38 AM.
  #5  
Old 12-02-2010, 06:58 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
To add to unclejane, in the history of upright bass sizes, construction and dimensions were pretty much standard. variations were half and three quarter size. They had to use size of body to create the sound. Violin and a viola are different in size but standard in construction because the materials available at the time dictated the size of joints and weight in the construction. These days with modern basses and multi string instruments they variations in size are vast. So the "one technique fits all" that could be applied to up-right bass does not apply for today's electric bass guitars. With today's options of neck lengths,widths,weights body material, bass sizes etc, there is much info to sort out. We are really talking about the last 20 years or so. Before that it was varied in scale lengths, and guitar makers offered a bass version of their guitar model. There was some variation but that was an extra, a custom model, or a private build.

There are lots of great player to watch and study, i recommend Garrison, he has one of the best techniques for bass around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7tIf...eature=related
  #6  
Old 12-02-2010, 02:52 PM
tylerwylie's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Champaign, IL
Supporting Member
There were some great tips on my similar thread that I'm using. My hand doesn't get as sore but still gets a little tight. Stretching helps a lot and my hand and wrist are adjusting.

Link: Moved to 6 string, wrist is getting sore.
__________________
Bongo Club Member #111, Clement Bass Member #100
Genz Benz 12.0 ShuttleMax, w/ 4x10 UberBass Cab
Boss GT-10B, Sansamp RBI
Clement #255, Clement #274, Fender Aerodyne Jazz Bass, Ibanez GWB35
  #7  
Old 12-02-2010, 03:08 PM
Kobaia's Avatar
Registered User

Endorsing Artist: Aguilar Amp Gruv Gear and Mono Cases
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Diego
Supporting Member
many times the problem isnt that your bass isnt high enough. its that your neck isnt high enough. Upright players dont complain about their wrists hurting because their elbow is out and up. electric bass players have this issue when the neck is lower than their elbow and that puts all the flex and adjustment to get the right angle on the strings in their wrist. Get your back neck above your elbo and hold your elbow just a little bit away from your body. your wrist should be stright and the flex in your hand should be in your palm at the first finger knuckle.

i guess the best way to explain it is to hold your fingers like you're showing someone how big an inch is. just your index and thumb. the straighten out all your fingers so that they're shadowing or imitating your index finger. slip your bass neck into that gap and then relax your hand. thats your proper technique.
__________________
www.myspace.com/joshsbass
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Follow TalkBass on Twitter   Visit TalkBass on Facebook  

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:13 PM.




Copyright 2011 Talk Music Group Inc. All rights reserved.
Play guitar? Visit our new sister site TalkGuitar.com [beta]
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.