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Old 08-10-2009, 04:29 AM
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Question about 'Bass Fitness' exercises

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Greetings fellow TBers.

So I recently bought the Bass Fitness exercise book (mainly because of the positive reviews here), and my plan is to start by going through all the exercises at 60bpm, 15 minutes each.

So my question is, after going through all the exercises at 60bpm, how much should I increase the metronome for the next round? I keep noticing people suggesting to play slowly, so my thought was to just go to 61 and do them all over again, crawling my way up to 180. Should I be going to the 65-70 bpm range instead? I just don't want to waste time playing slowly if there's not going to be any real benefit.

I'm almost 7 months old in bass years, if that helps.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 08-10-2009, 04:35 AM
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"Crawling up your way" is kinda useless IMO.

I'd suggest steps of 5 bpm for the first few steps if you can really play that exercise (otherwise, it wouldn't do you any good). When you hit a wall, I'd back off again a little and increase the speed in increments of 2 bpm.
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Old 08-10-2009, 06:37 AM
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I don't think thats the best use of your time! Try an excerise a day instead, increasing the speed from 60 to 180. Start the first hand position on 60 (one finger per fret, so first four frets), then increase to 70 (or less) after moving up the hand positions, and so on. When you reach 180 youshould be on the higher frets, go back to the 1st fret and try the exercise for the first few hand positions up to fret 5 as its more of a stretch on your fingers. Doe sthat make sense, I'm not the best at explaining but feel free to ask.

Don't continue on to the next exercise until you've mastered it, even if it takes a few days. Oh and don't spend longer than 20 mins on each exercise, the book is quite boring and you should spend your time on other areas of bass playing as well.

When you do finish the book you can still use the book by randomly opening on an excerise.
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Old 08-10-2009, 06:51 AM
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That's not a good idea, Bajo. You don't start training for marathons by walking a block and working up to running 26 miles in one afternoon.

LF - my assumption is that you have a digital nome, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about going from 60 to 61 bpm. Most of the mechanical or electronic nomes will increase the setting by 2 from the lowest setting (40, 42, 44 etc.) till about 60, then by 3s (60, 63, etc) till 76 or so and then by 4's till you get to 120, then by 6s. So don't increase by 1 UNIT, increase by 1 "click" (60, 63, 66, 69, 72, 76, 80 etc) as you progress.

YES, it takes a long time to build a solid foundation. You're not trying to race through this stuff, you're trying to build a foundation that MORE stuff can be supported by. You don't move forward the first time you get something right, you move forward when you get it right EVERY TIME.

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Old 08-10-2009, 07:08 AM
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Slow is good as slow is real control. Muscles work good slow especialy when learning.

The 20 minutes a day is great advice so what you want to try is from all the exercises in the book make a regime you can follow that incorporates all you want to do just now.
So if you combine a number of the exercises in to one exercise you can play it each day. This is a bit like circuit training if you want, a bit of everything combined to make a good exercise and workout regime.

Next benifit of this is you can gauge you progress.

Say the first couple of times you play your regime and you fatigue at say 4-5 mins. you can stop for a rest then start again. If you start you fatigue at 12-15 mins you know you have improved because of the measured time involved till fatigue.
Also if you struggle with certain patterns for days at an end, then you don't then you know again that you have improved because you have something to gauge an compare it against.

Once you have played your regime and have confidence that you have mastered and benifited from it, change it for another, do not increase the time of practice, the 20 mins is more than enough, i would even split it into two lots of 10mins.

Mis-use and over-use is the main cause of hand injuries, so be safe and sensible. Pain is not a part of playing, so it should not be present in yours. If you do have pain see a medical profesional.

p.s. have fun with whatever you do, it makes it easier, trust me it does LOL.
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:37 PM
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Thanks for the responses so far. So it looks like i'll be moving up by increments of 3 to start, making sure I fully have the exercise under my fingers before moving forward. I took a look at some of the independence exercises, those look pretty tough.

Any other suggestions/ideas?
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Old 08-10-2009, 12:57 PM
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LOL check out real independence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUB-hZHLtqU

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Old 08-10-2009, 01:13 PM
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The advice I got was to play slower than you are able. First benchmark yourself.. pick an exercise, play it as fast as you can without mistakes. Note the BPM on your metronome.

Then, practice for a day at half that speed. Next day, practice at 60%. Increase in 10% increments until you're up to 100%, and benchmark yourself again. If all has gone well, your maximum speed will have improved. Start over and repeat until you reach your goals.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:36 PM
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That Greg Irwin video is wild!
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Old 08-10-2009, 04:16 PM
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LOL check out real independence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUB-hZHLtqU

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Ouch! It hurts just seeing it. Would there be any significant benefits if one were to follow his program?
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Old 08-10-2009, 06:31 PM
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Ouch! It hurts just seeing it. Would there be any significant benefits if one were to follow his program?

Yeah, because that was mind blowing.
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:42 AM
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Ouch! It hurts just seeing it. Would there be any significant benefits if one were to follow his program?
Hi all, of course there are significant benifits to following Gregs programs....but why would you?

The answer to the above question is part of the argument for not doing it rather than doing it. I post Greg and similar peoples videos as an example to prove what is possible with the hands as far as dexterity and control are concerned.

When anyone, and i mean anyone starts an instrument, or even a sport, there are two main factors, the mental and the physical. For most it is a physical challange at the start of learning the bass ( i shall use the bass guitar as my example) not a mental one. Your hands and fingers will not do what you want, you use your eyes to reinforce what you do instead of you ears.
By that i mean you look at what your hands are doing rather than listening to what they are doing, you look to the plucking hand then the fretting hand all the time. Your hands and fingers fatigue, you get blisters, you get sore, it is all physical, till frustration and the realisation of "This is harder than i thought" sets in. Now the mental side has kicked in with an emotion or two, frustration, impatience, usual followed by dispair and the instrument is put down.

It is the test of the players will and fortitude to master and learn that will make him pick it up again. This is the same in later life players, but the instrument is a part of the furniture in their house.

If not then no big deal, bedrooms all over are filled with instruments that have followed this patteren, and parents who believe they have humoured a "phase" they were going through.
In the others we now have people who have the potential to be players. They will harness the mental side in theory and learning, and soon the physical side takes a back seat to the mental, they are equal partners in going forward. They will change though, some days it is all physical, you can't just seem to do anything your hands won't respond or a new playing lesson is hard. Other days it is all mental, you just feel lost confused, frustrated by a piece of music or you playing level...unfocused if you will.

As learning is something new for the mental side, as in reading or watching something and working it out in your head how you will approach this, so is exercise for the hands. give ny good musician a new sheet and he will read it in his head, work out the parts that might give him trouble, visualise fingerings, practise fingering before he even attempts to play it. If this happens at a show or a gig then that proccess mat take 10 seconds or so as he prioritises the sheet for himself.

Myself...i was a classical trained Tenor Horn player, i started on Trumpet but eventually arrived at Tenor Horn. I stopped playing at 16 when i left school and picked up a bass guitar. In my case it was all phyisical in the fretting hand only, never the plucking, and never mental.
My classical training of the past 7 years had given me the tools to handle music, and unknown to me at the time my right hand valve playing was to give me a 3 finger technique for plucking. When i started everyone used to comment on my use of 3 fingers in plucking, for me that was never a problem, i focused on looking and listening to the fretting hand. i was playing to a good standard after a couple of weeks and never looked back.

So my own case gave me a head start in one area of the physical side..the plucking hand. My fingers were developed already from the valve work of playing a brass instrument. I had allready gone through the physical frustration of controlling those fingers years ago and could now just concentrate on the fretting hand. So many of the things you want or need to do to play bass guitar i had covered before i even picked the instrument up, the last part was the left hand fretting which i could put all my energies into as the others were in the bag so to speak.

So now to the main part of the question.

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Would there be any significant benefits if one were to follow his program?
I answer "why" and it still stands. If you want to play you need skills specific to playing and in my pre-ramblings hopefully you will see skills over lap. Gregs skills over lap what we want, so there is benefiit to develop in all of what Greg does.

But more importantly there is benefit in just some of what Greg does. That's right some..a small part, a little..call it what you will.

In the same way you don't have to train like an athlete to just walk run and jump, train for years to be a chef to cook a meal,
hit the pool every morning to swim, etc etc, so it is with Greg and the exercises, take from them and apply to your needs.

If you have weak hands, exercise and bring them on to a better level. If you suffer from stamina or dexterity, then exercise to bring them on, etc. If you have no problems then don't, if you want to keep your hands healthy then do..common sense is the key as it is in all exercise to do with the body. Because the hands are not an aerobic exercise as such ( raising the heart, and respiration) it is easy dismissed that exercising benifits them. For me i have a warn up, exercise, and warm down programme is use every day that takes apprx 2 mins. The benifit is i use it everyday and that 2 mins a day is better than doing nothing all week and execising for 2 hrs. at the end of the week. It is the regularity of the exercies not the quantity as in, if you have a headache an asprin will do fine, 10 asprin will not.

Have fun with playing because that's why we do what we do, and again mis-use and over-use are the main culprits in hand injuries and problems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvZE0vq0Y8

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