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Old 10-07-2011, 08:39 PM
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ok so, first of all this is my first post here

secondly, i'm curious as to what other people think of this. I've been playing for almost 6 years now and as i started watching more and more bassists over the years i noticed my thumb doesnt stay anchored and does a weird float thing.

instead of floating on the top of the string my thumb goes behind the strings. so that by the time im down on the G string i have my thumb behind the E A D muting all of them. i've looked around on the net for people who do this as well but i have yet to find them. it seems to work for me really well it's what feels natural for me.anyone else do this?
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:00 PM
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Sounds like there's nothing wrong with what you're doing. If you're muting them well and it's comfortable, you're set. If I'm understanding correctly.
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:06 PM
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I usually rest my right thumb on the pubs! Makes it easier! But it all matters where it makes it easier to play!
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Old 10-07-2011, 09:17 PM
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cool thanks for the replies, i was just curious but yeah it's most comfortable and things are getting muted properly so all's well i guess lol
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:27 PM
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do you mean the back of your thumb as in the nail side mutes the strings? that's kinda cool...
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:33 PM
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Whoa, are you saying you have your thumb in between the strings and the body?
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:39 PM
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that is truly the most bizarre technique ive ever heard of. But i had to try it out. My thumb got jammed between the A and D strings.

I pulled it out ok, but in doing so, the D string jumped off the bridge saddle and needed to be but back.

I must be doing something wrong.
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Old 10-08-2011, 12:04 AM
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Whoa, are you saying you have your thumb in between the strings and the body?
thats exactly what i mean

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I must be doing something wrong.
i've noticed it doesnt work on all basses, some basses have the strings very close to the body and doesn't let me do this. but the basses i own just for some reason have enough space for my thumb to get behind
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:34 AM
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Yes i used quite a lot when i played precisions, because i used heavy strings and a high action...so my thumb could slip behind the strings with ease. As you say you develop a sense of muting by touching the strings by raising or lowering the thumb. I use it a little these days on my Artcores, but only behind the E and A, and with my thumb neutral ( more on that later). Due to the archtop of the bass, the low action my thumb can go no further.

As a technique it is sound for the wrist as it has a better angle of approach because the thumb pad sits on the body with the thumb under the strings and the fingers over the strings. It takes out the tendency the wrist has to angle of the body to allow the hand to sit on top of the strings.
I examined and done some studies on the position and found that if strings are the same height as the body the hand ( wrists and finger) work better) To achieve this a bass would need a split level top, in effect from the top half a step down before the E string ( so the neck) and that level continued from there.




But back to the technique in question.
The draw back as i saw it was the to achieve this position for the best, my thumb had to be in line and under the fore finger to create the "slot" that the strings fitted in and allow the ease of muting by lifting the thumb to the underside of the strings. The draw back is that with the thumb under the fore finger, the Carpal Tunnel area of the hand is not flat, the Carpal Tunnel crease is present.
All this means is that the sides of the Carpal Tunnel are being squeezed and that could eventually lead to problems.
When your thumb is to the side, the palm is flat in the Carpal Tunnel area, as you have with a floating thumb technique.
But it may be a pressure issue regarding this point as any pick player will create the same crease in their technique, but the crucial difference is that with a pick it is stable, where as when playing with the fingers the Carpal Tunnel has all the movement of finger picking to deal with ( due to the muscle and ligament movement and attachments in and through the palm) and that squeezing of the Carpal tunnel is a source of friction to the Median nerve within the tunnel...no such issue for a pick player because the pick is held stable and only grip pressure is the problem here.

So by all means develop it and see if it remains stable, but understand the body mechnics behind what you do, and if you develop problems how do you relate it to the technique?...it may be have nothing to do with it, it may be all to do with it, how do you verify what you find or feel?

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Old 10-08-2011, 04:42 PM
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here's a visual of what i am doing.

also i think this developed because as i just go through my day i roll my fingers just above the joint of my thumb (closer to the tip), my fingers tend to roll a bit off centre of the thumb so i guess diagonally a bit? if i slide my thumb behind the strings my fingers are always in the same position as i move my hand up and down they're always striking that same region where my thumb would be.

i'm not getting any pains or anything and i've been doing it a while. as far back as i can remember in fact lol.
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I think that this position causes you to rotate your wrist a little too much. Also - if you get used to this, you will not be able to play most other basses.

It is far better to float the thumb on TOP of the strings, just behind the string you are playing. I believe that this is the preferred hand position for finger style playing.
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The more weight I put on the tighter my ring fits. That being said, don't pig-out like me or you'll have to find a new technique!

Cool Bass, by the way!

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Old 10-09-2011, 08:09 AM
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I'm actually a little surprised you haven't experienced pains after 6 years. Usually when I have my thumb in the middle of my palm, as opposed to off to the side of my hand (like when it's in its relaxed state), is when I start feeling a bit of strain...

But, if it works for you, whatever... An individual style makes for an individual sound.

Your basses are setup with a higher action (height of strings off of the body, adjusted by raising or lowering the saddles on the bridge), and you've even noticed that not all basses allow you to play your way, but if you only use your basses then you can adjust the action accordingly.

It does seem by this statement, "but the basses i own just for some reason have enough space for my thumb to get behind", that you don't do your own setups on your basses - correct me if I'm wrong. But if I'm right, then the only thing I would recommend to you is learn how to do your own setups, this way when you get a new bass you are able to customize it for your style, plus it saves some dough.

EDIT TO ADD: I just realized one thing about your technique that *may* limit you. Sometimes, some players will play closer to the fingerboard, or closer to the bridge, or right over a certain pick-up, or wherever to achieve a bit of a different tone, as well as the string tensions will be increased or decreased. You can do this with rotating your hand a bit, but that could add some strain then, so you're pretty much stuck in that position as your thumb is right in between two pick-ups. Now again, if you like your tone or whatever, then it's great.. I always stay right over my pick-up so the shifting doesn't matter to me, but I have tried to play in different positions and found the spot that I like the most.
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