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Old 09-02-2008, 01:56 PM
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Alright, 1st post in a new forum. Might as well say a little about myself.
I've been into music all my life, but in the past 3/4 years my interest was really piqued. About 2 years ago I received my first drum kit and have been playing pretty hardcore for the past 2 years; but last December, I decided to pick up the bass. I loved players like Flea and Les Claypool way before I even picked up my sticks, so I wanted to have a shot at this instrument. I struggled for a bit but now I'm doing a lot better. Without trying to sound too arrogant, I'd say my technique is good.
However, the problem is I haven't taken theory lessons. I know the very basics of music theory, scales, keys, progressions e.t.c; but that's it. Also, I'm finding it very hard to improvise solos on bass because of this; I don't know what goes into it, or what I can do. It's not like my drums, where I can pick up sticks and bash away and come up with something great.
And a little embarrassingly, my ear is rubbish and I'm using tabs to learn all my songs I want to. I love learning beats from ear, it's great fun and the trial and error involved makes me dissect the music and understand more. But when it comes to bass, I'm lost. I learnt the intro to Boris The Spider, and Baba O'Reily, but that's it.

So, essentially I'm asking for anyone to help me with one of three things; a basic blast of theory, how to improvise on a melodic instrument and how to train my ear up. Danke shan.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:35 PM
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I hate to sound like an ass, but check the stickies in the General Instruction forum. Most if not all of what you're looking for can be found by checking them, and searching the forum.

Also, find a teacher. I can imagine your technique might not be as good as you think.
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Old 09-04-2008, 03:43 PM
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:35 PM
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I've played about a year and I think I'm starting to get the hang of improvisation. I know just about as much as you about theory, if not less(since I know almost nothing about chord progressions). The key is to practice it. Whenever you think up a tune in your head, try and get it down on bass, and if it is good then write it down. Also after a while of just messing around with the notes in different scales then you start to subconsciously apply that. Also whenever you think of something and play it then dissect it and find out the key, the chords and everything else, it helps out your understanding and your ability to subconsciously use scales.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:30 PM
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While all this may be "in the stickies," as a teacher, I know that's like saying "it's in the textbook." Discussion boards are much more like conversation - and I too, learn from this modality (as opposed to just reading). Maybe it's because the doses of information are more random.

Anyway, all the things you mentioned do come together as a cluster - and there's hope! I would have said the same thing about myself - 20 years ago, I felt hopeless about playing by ear (and so did my teachers). It's taken a loong time, and I could have worked harder at it, that's for sure.

Eventually, it was learning some of the nature of music theory as it applies to bass playing that cleared things up. First of all, I can play along with a bass line when I'm listening to a lot of music. So listen to lots of music and listen just to the bass lines.

Then, I got two patterns for you (let us know if this is Old Hat or not)

I, IV V
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ii/II V I

Now, if this made so much sense to you that you thought, what the heck - why does she think I need to read THAT, then let us know.

If, instead, you look at those Roman numerals and say, what the heck do those mean? - then you have a starting place. You know tab - and you may or may not know standard notation - but both pale in comparison to knowing how a chord functions in a song/line. At least to me, they do. I read standard notation (have, for more than forty years) and I read tab (a little weaker there but basically not bad). But - it wasn't until I began to understand functional harmony that I trained my ear.

So what I mean is - you should know what those symbols refer to (they're dandy because they work in ANY scale) and then train your ear to hear those intervals.

If I think a person is a total beginner in learning functional harmony, I'll play chords on the keyboard (major and minor only) and if they can't hear the difference, well - that's something they have to learn to hear. I'll bet your ear already hears that - so your ear isn't as bad as you might think. Then, I'll play various seventh chords. Some people despair of ever learning to hear the differences (and you don't have to be perfect at it or anything - it just helps if you CAN hear these differences, otherwise it helps to know your ear limitations). But most people can easily discern a major chord, a minor chord and a dominant seventh. The Roman numeral system notes I used above didn't refer to any sevenths - just majors and minors, because you really need to hear that difference.

The other thing that learning those intervals represented will do is make you much more aware of the actual number of tones (or semitones) in between the various notes in a chord or line. That's very good for ear training.

If I play the root note of a I chord, and then jump to the root of a V chord - you should be immediately able to recognize that's what I've done. Put another way, if I play the I of a scale and jump to the V of that scale - you should be able to tell. With practice, you CAN tell. I'll bet you already can do this.

So where are you in all this?
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