Is there really such a thing as a Neo soul bass line?

[JAUQO III-X]

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[scotch]

Is there really such a thing as a purposefully narrowly defined anything?

[scotch]

Doesn't 'neo' soul imply that the basslines are, by definition, a soul bass line (but newer)?

If a tree falls in the woods, and there is no luthier within range to craft it into a bass, does that tree make a neo-soul sound?

[Commreman]

Back on topic - listen to anything recorded by Andrew Levy with the Brand New Heavies. As "neo-soul" as is gets!

[phat daddy]

This thread is going to be fun.

[contakt321]

Not all Neo Soul is sample or synthesizer bass which is what I am guessing this baited question is directed to.

Is there a such a thing as a _____________ (insert narrowly defined genre) bassline?

Why would the answer ever be no? (unless there is nothing filling out the lowend/bass spectrum)

[ugly_bassplayer]

I'll answer that with a question.
Is there such a thing as a hip hop bass line, since it was all sampled from other sources on records???

So previous lines associated with a specific style may it be soul , jazz or whatever are now associated as being hip hop lines.


Am I making any sense to any of you???

[phat daddy]

Originally Posted by ugly_bassplayer

I'll answer that with a question.
Is there such a thing as a hip hop bass line, since it was all sampled from other sources on records???

So previous lines associated with a specific style may it be soul , jazz or whatever are now associated as being hip hop lines.


Am I making any sense to any of you???

See previous Jauqo thread title & content.

[bass12]

Originally Posted by Commreman

Back on topic - listen to anything recorded by Andrew Levy with the Brand New Heavies. As "neo-soul" as is gets!

No, no, no! That was Acid Jazz. Wait a second - new thread topic: "Is there really such a thing as an 'Acid Jazz' bass line?".

[paul_wolfe]

Pino on D'Angelo's Voodoo?
Pino on Eryakah Badu's Mama's Gun?
Raphaeel Sadique?

[paul_wolfe]

Also if you check out BIG FISH AUDIO's catalagogue, they've got a couple of Neo Soul sets with Josquin Des Pres on bass

(Big Fish make sample DVDs...)

[chicagodoubler]

Pino+questlove kind of defines this for me... the "funk brothers" for the modern day!

Voodoo blows me away still. Can't tell you how many times I've copped that feel on gigs and sessions.

[phat daddy]

Originally Posted by contakt321

Not all Neo Soul is sample or synthesizer bass which is what I am guessing this baited question is directed to.

Is there a such a thing as a _____________ (insert narrowly defined genre) bassline?

Why would the answer ever be no? (unless there is nothing filling out the lowend/bass spectrum)

+1000. Neo soul, hip-hop and whatever other neuveax style is mentioned has authentic roots and original ideas. It's not all just samples from some 20+ year style or recording like a lot of people say it is.

[Deacon_Blues]

Music evolves and it's time to accept that fact. Everybody's playing style is a sum of one's influences and own ideas. And it will continue being like that. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact I think the thread title is a bit disrespectful towards "neo-soul" players, like also the earlier similar hip-hip thread was to hip-hop players. Maybe it's good to have a discussion about this, but I honestly don't really see the point with it. JMHO.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

I think the thread title is a bit disrespectful towards "neo-soul" players, like also the earlier similar hip-hip thread was to hip-hop players.

Whats so disrespectful about the question ? Read the thread(if you haven't already) "Hip Hop bass lines do they really exist?" and see what one of the most respected bass players recording in the Hip Hop genre has to say.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

Maybe it's good to have a discussion about this, but I honestly don't really see the point with it. JMHO.

Ok.



Regurgitation does put food on somebodies table doesn't it?

[Deacon_Blues]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Whats so disrespectful about the question ? Read the thread(if you haven't already) "Hip Hop bass lines do they really exist?" and see what one of the most respected bass players recording in the Hip Hop genre has to say.

I don't care reading threads that are as long as that one, just have taken a brief look at it a few times. Takes ages to read the whole thing. By the way, are you referring to yourself or someone else?

Anyway, to put my point in other words: If you play a bassline in hip-hop, soul, neo-soul or whatever genre, you're playing a hip-hop, soul or neo-soul or whatever bassline. Even if the bassline might fit into another genre as it is. Root+fifth basslines are not locked to one genre either - there's lot of different music styles featuring basslines like that.

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Regurgitation does put food on somebodies table doesn't it?

Odd way to put that, but yes it does, and I'm cool with it as long as you don't lie and claim your food is all fresh.



I confess there's a slight contradiction between these statements but I hope you get my point anyway. There's probably not a simple yes or no answer to this question, but that's how your question is formed. Do you really expect a simple yes or no here? What would in that case your own answer be?

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

I don't care reading threads that are as long as that one, just have taken a brief look at it a few times. Takes ages to read the whole thing.

You're trying to build a case against a question that was asked and you haven't even read the entire thread in question.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

are you referring to yourself or someone else?

Read the thread and see who I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

Anyway, to put my point in other words: If you play a bassline in hip-hop, soul, neo-soul or whatever genre, you're playing a hip-hop, soul or neo-soul or whatever bassline. Even if the bassline might fit into another genre as it is. Root+fifth basslines are not locked to one genre either - there's lot of different music styles featuring basslines like that.

Resort to the thread that you didn't want to read through.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

Odd way to put that, but yes it does, and I'm cool with it as long as you don't lie and claim your food is all fresh

Well most music that is marketed as new and fresh really is nothing more than regurgitation in a new wrapping and nothing more.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

I confess there's a slight contradiction between these statements but I hope you get my point anyway.

No contradiction at all and I do get your point.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

There's probably not a simple yes or no answer to this question, but that's how your question is formed. Do you really expect a simple yes or no here?

It is if one knows the truth.

Originally Posted by Deacon_Blues

What would in that case your own answer be?

Here's a nice clip of D'angelo with Pino and Questlove

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9nwcpGZE6A

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

It is if one knows the truth.

That's kind of silly- there is no "truth"- just opinion. Unless you can find it written in stone somewhere, then it's purely opinion, no "truth" to either side of it.

[scotch]

Where is that popcorn emoticon?...

[DWBass]

Hmmm....good question and sorta related to the previous 'Rap/Hip-Hop bassline' thread. I will say yes. That style of 'dragging' is pretty much culled directly from the Neo Soul movement. I've not heard it in any other style of music.

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