Is there really such a thing as a Neo soul bass line?

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Originally Posted by Billy Low

and I have the receipe for NEW SOUL?!?!?!??!

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!

According to Kedar Massenburg or Sylvia Rhone, you do

[Billy Low]

Originally Posted by LilRay

However Elvis Presley Paid multiple hospital bills and for the funeral of Jackie Wilson.

Ummm, please explain to me how Elvis paid for JW's funeral when he died 6 1/2 years prior! Did he leave money in his will to prvoide for JW and his arrangements?

IIRC JW's survivors were saddled with debt during the end of his life and after his passing (I have family members that were close w/his family). Someone correct me if I'm wrong I do believe that there are still unresolved legal and financial issues involving his estate.

Not trying to beat a dead horse but I reaaallly can't put much creadence into any validity of Elvis' supposed greatness. It's been well published that several of his gold records were not certified. Many of those that were had been copies purchased by the label (or claimed to have been by Tom Parker [I will NEVER call that man the C word]), not by the public until after his death.

But nuff bout that dude, back to Soul!

BTW I hate the R&B label as well!!!! The music was origianaly called Rock and Roll (before the Alan Freed myth). I have traced this as far back 1938; supported by posters advertising performers that were playing music similar to Louis Jordan and Nat King Cole. So we see, often times people who have little to do with the music determine much of how the outside groups take on the appointed monikers.

[Linkert]

You can describe the steriotypical sound of music with genres, not how the music acutally sounds.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Billy Low

Someone correct me if I'm wrong I do believe that there are still unresolved legal and financial issues involving his estate.

You are correct sir.

His daughter is still fighting for monies that is owed the Wilson estate.Besides paying for the majority of Wilson's medical bills after he suffered a heart attack on stage during one of Dick Clark's oldies review. His daughter has went on record to say that one of very few from the music industry to do any thing for her father that meant anything has been Dick Clark,even doing so many years after Wilson's death.

Clark has even helped with court cost to the Wilson family in an effort to help get monies owed to the Wilson family..

[BassSlave]

Don't forget the hairstyles....but not to totally dis a valid music category such as this or any other new music presented by our youth. Many (not all) new styles of music employ ingredients from other sources and slowly evolve into their own after time.....kinda like a Peter Muller CD. (ouch) ;-)-0 (goatee)

Originally Posted by Billy Low

Just so I get this straight:

1. I take a Fender Rhodes, played ala Stevie Wonder or Donny Hathaway
2. A Bass line from any of the forementioned players from my previous posting
3. A Clyde Stubblefield, Jabo Starks, Bernard Pertie, or Harvey Mason drum beat
4. Clothing loosely based on 70's afrocentric idea's

and I have the receipe for NEW SOUL?!?!?!??!

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!

[cowsgomoo]

Originally Posted by Lo end PUNCH

So dont hate, just don't participate.

Peace

if you think that's 'hate' you must have had a very, very easy life...

[LilRay]

I'm not going to quibble back and forth with you guys anymore. Those of You who continue to mull over every small detail continuing to insert specific names into specific situations to either stir trouble or to continue to try and prove a moot point. The fact that (those of you who are) continuing to "beat a dead horse" shows either Jealousy, Ignorance, or Intolerance, all of which affect me greatly. The Fact that you refuse to see or acknowledge the bigger picture baffles me. Grown men most of whom have the luxury to be paid to play an instrument for a living acting as children.

God Bless all of you, those with open eyes, as well as those who refuse to open them.

I'm Out, Ray

[Lo end PUNCH]

Originally Posted by cowsgomoo

if you think that's 'hate' you must have had a very, very easy life...

It's really not intended to be taken litterally, it's actually slang for those who dont have anything positive to add or knock some one's ideas over here on this side of the pond. "Don't be hatin'" which I first heard in a hip-hop song became a widely use phrase, especially in the movie "Malibu's Most Wanted". .Check it out

[bass12]

Originally Posted by Lo end PUNCH

It's really not intended to be taken litterally, it's actually slang for those who dont have anything positive to add or knock some one's ideas over here on this side of the pond. "Don't be hatin'" which I first heard in a hip-hop song became a widely use phrase, especially in the movie "Malibu's Most Wanted". .Check it out

Yeah, we have a real habit of destroying the English language over here in North America and thinking it's cool.

[Lo end PUNCH]

Originally Posted by bass12

Yeah, we have a real habit of destroying the English language over here in North America and thinking it's cool.

No way to aviod it, way too many diverse cultural backgrounds, nobody born here really uses perfect Queens English, at least not the way It's supposed to be I think.

[O.A.S.I]

Listen to Maxwell with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBT3KA6sWHA Ascension (Don't ever wonder). Great bassline. Incredibly easy, but I love the groove on this one. Always an inspiration when trying to make more out of fewer notes.

[middlebit]

Originally Posted by LilRay

My point in all of this is inserting Elvis or other direct names in this discussion to say that white men take advantage of black men, or to say That Miles Davis had the same MO, to say that a black man does the same as other white men, is accomplishing nothing to end the practices.

For the rest of time men will steal and take advantage of men, reguardless of race. I'd bet however that the practices are just as common among like raced business men and artists, as they are different raced artists from any direction.

I'm sorry if you got the wrong impression from reading my post. I was not inserting a name to get back at a another "race". Read it how you want, but at your own expense. The point of my post was to point out exactly what you are trying to say. I thought that was clear.
Naming names and examples to support your views is a standard way of proving your point. It can elevate pre-teen ramblings to coherent statements.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by LilRay

I'm not going to quibble back and forth with you guys anymore. Those of You who continue to mull over every small detail continuing to insert specific names into specific situations to either stir trouble or to continue to try and prove a moot point. The fact that (those of you who are) continuing to "beat a dead horse" shows either Jealousy, Ignorance, or Intolerance, all of which affect me greatly. The Fact that you refuse to see or acknowledge the bigger picture baffles me. Grown men most of whom have the luxury to be paid to play an instrument for a living acting as children.

God Bless all of you, those with open eyes, as well as those who refuse to open them.

I'm Out, Ray

I had high hopes that you'd explain how Elvis paid for Jackie Wilson's funeral... since you brought that up. It's probably a very interesting story. It baffles me why someone would say that.

[LilRay]

Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

I had high hopes that you'd explain how Elvis paid for Jackie Wilson's funeral... since you brought that up. It's probably a very interesting story. It baffles me why someone would say that.

Brad, I've apparently made a mistake with Elvis paying for JW's funeral. However I have read that after JW's heart attack Elvis did pay a portion of his medical bills which is only to say that Elvis didn't hate black people as I took was being implied. I've admitted to making a mistake, however most people in this thread turn a blind eye to refuting any of my valid points, only to mock me and others for making such a mistake. Elvis paying for JW's funeral apparently was a mistake, however that's still only one small detail of the overall picture. Rather than stir trouble by quibbling over small details, MAN UP and respond with something positive.
I don't think you'd care for someone following your posts and busting you for mistakes in what you type, or do you ever offer anything positive or constructive? I've yet to see it in this thread.

I've posted here again to admit to a mistake I've made, I intend for this to be my last post in this thread, as for me it has become a useless circle of ignorance and is in no form constructive.

Sorry to interrupt Jauqo.

God Bless, Ray

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by LilRay

Sorry to interrupt Jauqo.

No problem at all Ray. You're more than entitled to participate in this thread just like any one else.

[Mojo-Man]

Originally Posted by chicagodoubler

Pino+questlove kind of defines this for me... the "funk brothers" for the modern day!

Voodoo blows me away still. Can't tell you how many times I've copped that feel on gigs and sessions.

I totally agree.
I've copped it big time too. (P-bass / flats. muted)

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by LilRay

Brad, I've apparently made a mistake with Elvis paying for JW's funeral. However I have read that after JW's heart attack Elvis did pay a portion of his medical bills which is only to say that Elvis didn't hate black people as I took was being implied. I've admitted to making a mistake, however most people in this thread turn a blind eye to refuting any of my valid points, only to mock me and others for making such a mistake. Elvis paying for JW's funeral apparently was a mistake, however that's still only one small detail of the overall picture. Rather than stir trouble by quibbling over small details, MAN UP and respond with something positive.
I don't think you'd care for someone following your posts and busting you for mistakes in what you type, or do you ever offer anything positive or constructive? I've yet to see it in this thread.

I've posted here again to admit to a mistake I've made, I intend for this to be my last post in this thread, as for me it has become a useless circle of ignorance and is in no form constructive.

Sorry to interrupt Jauqo.

God Bless, Ray

Considering I've been participating positively the entire thread (more positive than post 227), why don't you MAN UP and read what's right in front of you.

It's easy to check a recollection, I try to do that before I state something as fact. Bust away.

[Randy Newton]

Originally Posted by diglo

Amen brotha, for your thought.

Also, you can listen to "A Tribe Called Quest" or anything produced by the late "J. DIlla" and you will here early examples of the "dragging bassline." Rapheal Saadiq and Pino got the style from working with Tribe, Dilla, Roots and D'Angelo.

i know this thread was posted ages ago but the fact that your post, which is one of the few that gives an answer to this thread's question, has been totally ignored shows how much people out there care for hiphop as an influent style in contemporary music.
And while i'm at it, i read all the posts (i got time to kill today)
and i didn't even see Roy Ayers' name (or i missed it) if you've ever been to a Omar, D'Angelo or Badu concert, you would know he's the reference "nusoul"-wise.
take Ayers-like changes on a hiphop beat with ultra laidback bassline and put soul oriented singing on it and you got what majors,labels,journalists,whatever called "nusoul".