Is there really such a thing as a Neo soul bass line?

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

And as I pointed out, unless you can show scientifically that your opinion that Neo Soul isn't a genre

It's a genre because they tell you it is.

Again ask the musicians who play Neo-Soul what do they themselves really call it?

[scotch]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

It's a genre because they tell you it is.

Again ask the musicians who play Neo-Soul what do they themselves really call it?

Yeah, but they don't get to decide... it's a public opinion issue. I've never met an artist or musician that likes being included in any genre- we all like to be ourselves.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

It's a genre because they tell you it is.

Again ask the musicians who play Neo-Soul what do they themselves really call it?

It's a genre because it's a genre. Your opinion on the lack of validity of it has no bearing on this, like it or not. And again, there's tons of unsigned artists out there that call what they play Neo Soul. No label is telling them to call themselves anything. That's in addition to signed artists that still call that their genre without being forced to.

[DanAleks]

So the original question was:

Is there really such a thing as a Neo soul bass line?

And I think you just answered it here:

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

... but the bottom line is that Neo-Soul really isn't a genre at all. Just a marketing ploy that has definitely fooled a lot of people into believing that such a genre really exist. If one really knew or at least understood the basics of what they profess to be about they would see that Neo-Soul really is a lie

If Neo-soul doesn't exist, then there IS no such thing as a Neo-soul bass line.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by DanAleks

So the original question was:

Is there really such a thing as a Neo soul bass line?

And I think you just answered it here:


If Neo-soul doesn't exist, then there IS no such thing as a Neo-soul bass line.

The question was kind of his roundabout way of saying they don't exist- not exactly an open-minded question

[JAUQO III-X]

DanAleks I knew the answer to the question before I ask it and for me to know the answer I would definitely have to be open minded.

[scotch]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

DanAleks I knew the answer to the question before I ask it and for me to know the answer I would definitely have to be open minded.

So...... are you asking a question, or trying to make a statement?

Wait. I knew the answer to my question before I asked it!

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

DanAleks I knew the answer to the question before I ask it and for me to know the answer I would definitely have to be open minded.

How can it be open-minded to dismiss other people's opinions as either being uninformed or being told to think that way? If you're open-mined, you'll have no choice but to agree that the opinions that are contradictory to yours are still valid despite being different.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

How can it be open-minded to dismiss other people's opinions as either being uninformed or being told to think that way? If you're open-mined, you'll have no choice but to agree that the opinions that are contradictory to yours are still valid despite being different.

Opinions are what they are.

My facts are being dismissed so we're even


Take the time to break down what is really going on within the measures of the bass and drums in Neo-Soul and tell me what do you really come up with.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Opinions are what they are.

My facts are being dismissed so we're even

I can state it's a fact that I'm really made of Jell-o. Unless I can scientifically prove so, then it's not really a fact. Just like your opinions aren't fact. The fact that you can't understand that your opinion in not a fact is troublesome- you're a very open-minded musician from what I've seen, but the idea that one's own opinion is fact is the basis of narrow-mindedness.

Take the time to break down what is really going on within the measures of the bass and drums in Neo-Soul and tell me what do you really come up with.

I have. And my opinion is different from your opinion. Neither is fact.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

you're a very open-minded musician from what I've seen, but the idea that one's own opinion is fact is the basis of narrow-mindedness.

In all honesty my opinion is not whats fact. It's the ingredients that goes into what really makes Neo-Soul not what it is that's fact

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

I have. And my opinion is different from your opinion. Neither is fact.

And I can respect that.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

In all honesty my opinion is not whats fact. It's the ingredients that goes into what really makes Neo-Soul not what it is that's fact

Well, when I take a bite of my Al Green pie and then a bite of my Maxwell stew, they taste different to me. Until someone can scientifically show that they're the same ingredients, there's no reason to think the claim is factual.

And I can respect that.

Then send me another Al Green pie!

[LilRay]

I'll answer with my opinion posed in a question/ statement . What is "Neo Soul" other than remarketing or "regurgitation" of a prior classification/identification of blending supposed "styles" of music. Soul music itself as I've always heard it defined was/is a blend of Gospel and blues.

To me music is music and DAMN the pidgeon holing, segregating and defining into styles and genres. It either moves your spirit or it doesn't PERIOD. That's what defines good music to me.

God Bless, Ray

[JAUQO III-X]

Hey Bryan is this Neo-Soul?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SN0UE6MTgg

[Billy Low]

What I find interesting is that there are those who come on these threads (such as the hip-hop and funk threads) with their guns blazing full of opinions and find all kinds of ways of negating the information that those whom have been more than casually involved in these realms tend to share. Most of those individuals with contrite views may have some exposure, albeit limited; not enough to provide concrete substantive arguements supporting their point of view. Please come to the table with more than "Cuz I sed so"

What I find even more ridiculous is the idolization and admiration of individuals that participate in the commercialization of said genres as merely "guns for hire". Meaning, there are musicians and other performers who get accolades for performing on certain recordings that have no basis in the subculture in which it represents, yet they are known as that genres top artists. Bull! Daryl Jones plays bass for what is heralded as the greatest rock band alive, but I don't hear any body calling him the worlds top rock bassist!!!!

Funny thing is the "Neo" label didn't emerge until after the movement had a good 14 year run! I think the first time I heard the term "Neo" was in 1998. I had noticed the rebirth of soul music in 1984 and had been involved in not only that style of music, but the subculture since. Believe me, there is more to it than a bunch of black guys with afros wearing second hand cloths smelling like patchouli, nag champa, or sum other "organic" fragrance, smoking cloves, playing old R&B riffs. Most of the cats from the scene would skin you alive if you came to them with the latest offering from sum commercial "Neo" artist and suggest that it is even remotely involved with what they have been a part of.

I have been of the mind set that I should become more than a consumer, that I needed to become a student. Only then can I become an artist.

Just like you learned in elementary school, you shouldn't talk when the teachers are giving lessons. You are supposed to take notes and study them.

[Billy Low]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

Well, when I take a bite of my Al Green pie and then a bite of my Maxwell stew, they taste different to me. Until someone can scientifically show that they're the same ingredients, there's no reason to think the claim is factual.



Then send me another Al Green pie!

Instead of Maxwell stew maybe you shoulda had the D'angelo souffle, or the Bilal sandwich with that pie, believe me it will be easier for you to swallow.

Just make sure you say grace before you eat cuz that style of music comes directly out of the Black penticostal church!

BTW, it's impolite to speak with your mouth full.

Most of it is not science. Just follow the breadcrumbs.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by Billy Low

Instead of Maxwell stew maybe you shoulda had the D'angelo souffle, or the Bilal sandwich with that pie, believe me it will be easier for you to swallow.

BTW, it's impolite to speak with your mouth full.

Most of it is not science. Just follow the breadcrumbs.

"Voodoo" is one of my favorite albums. I know Bilal but never bought an album. I mentioned Maxwell because he's been one of my favorite artists for about 12 years and he and Al Green are a pretty close comparison in styles, yet there's definitely something different in the music between the two aside from the more staccato playing the rhythm section often does. It's like there's a different attitude change- it's making love vs. f-ing. It's all just sex to some, not to others.

And you can have a whole world of experience- your opinion is still just an opinion. I've been involved in fine arts since 1992, have a BFA from a great school, studied and created art for a very long time. I know more about painting than almost anyone on this board. But I'm not foolish enough to think that just because I know more about the subject, other people's opinions aren't valid. I might have a better grasp on what something is technically, but interpretation is all up to the viewer.

Just make sure you say grace before you eat cuz that style of music comes directly out of the Black penticostal church!

Well, I ain't saying grace as I'm an atheist, and I don't think the church would approve of Maxwell singing "Til The Cops Come Knocking" in the choir.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Hey Bryan is this Neo-Soul?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SN0UE6MTgg

Old song Rhythm section handle it with a Neo-Soul sound for most of the song- the rest I wouldn't call it.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

I mentioned Maxwell because he's been one of my favorite artists for about 12 years and he and Al Green are a pretty close comparison in styles,

That's not an accurate comparison at all. If you have to compare,it would be best to say that Maxwell is more related to Marvin Gaye.

Originally Posted by Bryan R. Tyler

I know more about painting than almost anyone on this board.

Would you be interested in purchasing a few original Peter Mars paintings?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

That's not an accurate comparison at all. If you have to compare,it would be best to say that Maxwell is more related to Marvin Gaye.

Maybe not to you. To me it is very much so. I think they're two of the best falsetto singers in popular music.

Would you be interested in purchasing a few original Peter Mars paintings?

Sure, let me break out my empty wallet.... He does nice prints.