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Old 03-03-2013, 03:11 PM
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Thumb "issue"

Ok, I jam my thumb into the back of the neck and obviously this doesn't allow for a lot of playing...cause it hurts my thumb and hand. Basically, I'm just holding the neck to tight. Any suggestions on how to loosen up my grip while maintaining control of the bass?
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I forget the bass player that was in the video I saw, but he said to fret the string with the pressure you normally use and then pluck the string, then slowly reduce the pressure you are applying until you hear the string begin to buzz. You only need slightly more pressure than that.
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Economical and ergonomical playing comes with time an experience. Just listen to youself, striving to relax as muvh as possible, and notice when has no influence on your sound, or when it screws it up.
That's how you want to play, as relaxed as possible, but sounding powerfull.
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I forget the bass player that was in the video I saw, but he said to fret the string with the pressure you normally use and then pluck the string, then slowly reduce the pressure you are applying until you hear the string begin to buzz. You only need slightly more pressure than that.
I think that was Gary Willis and yeah that's a good exercise for loosening up one's grip on the neck.
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Also, if you are novice, it could be that you lack strenght in your left hand. You could build it up, use stress ball to enhance your grip. But practise carefully, slowly grip and not too hard, you need your muscules and tendons strong, not sour or injured ;-)
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Good suggestions. Been playing for over a year though so would think my hand would be adjusted by now.
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I find that the amount of pressure I apply is directly influenced by the shape of the neck. Gibson type necks wear me out while playing fender or ibanez seems to flow much better and require less effort... to me.. I dunno maybe I'm just "challenged"
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Also, if you are novice, it could be that you lack strenght in your left hand. You could build it up, use stress ball to enhance your grip. But practise carefully, slowly grip and not too hard, you need your muscules and tendons strong, not sour or injured ;-)
Grip has no part in bass playing. Minimal strength is required to fret a string.

OP, take the advice given so far, i.e. press gently down on the strings, without putting the thumb on the neck at all, until the note sounds clear. This will give you an idea of just how little is the pressure needed. Spend five minutes doing this, before each practice session, until the message is received and understood.

This clip is worth checking out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM-rkoy2H8I


Also, use the thumb as a pivot instead of stretching
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:45 AM
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Thanks for using posting the link fearceol, yes the thumb can be the culprit, or even the victim, of many bad technical uses of the hands, over-use and mis-use is the real problem.
In holding on to the neck it is an over-use of muscles we do not need to use so extensively. This leads to a mis-use of the hands and varies compensations to counter the problems.
In learning to let the thumb go where it wants to, it will naturally support the fingers by resting against the neck, in various positions with varying amounts of pressure, through the neck, not around the neck by gripping it.

Try some of these stretches and exercises in this link and see if by helping your hands become less tense you have a better "feel" for how much pressure you are actually exerting.
Grip pressure is a muscle tension issue that can always be developed to work better......playing is part of the problem as we need a certain amount of muscular tension to make the fingers move.....but when done we need to remove that tension, and that is where the stretches that warm us down come in.
Using stretches to warm up prepares or muscles for the elevated use we are about to put our hands through, warming down releases it.

Hand Stretches and Exercises for warm ups/downs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FZichHw1w&sns=em

Also check out this one, Adam still has one of the best videos on the web that explains a lot of what you should look for in your fretting hand because he presents it is a very simple and un-complicated way, that even with the sound down, you get what he is saying.....which is great because not everyone's first language is English.

http://youtu.be/VRkSsapYYsA
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Ok, I jam my thumb into the back of the neck and obviously this doesn't allow for a lot of playing...cause it hurts my thumb and hand. Basically, I'm just holding the neck to tight. Any suggestions on how to loosen up my grip while maintaining control of the bass?
Without actually seeing your hands, I'm going to *guess* that your thumb is opposite your 1st or, worse, 2nd finger? You risk a nasty thumb/palm cramp if your thumb is "folded" into your hand like that. Try playing with your thumb never crossing your 1st finger, in other words, pointing toward the headstock. Make the shape of a paw, not a claw.

Check out this video on safe left hand technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkSsapYYsA

(same one as Fergie Fulton posted above me, I see )
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Good videos. Still struggling on how to keep the neck from moving if I don't use my left thumb at all. Without the thumb pushing the neck out doesn't your fretting fingers push the neck in?
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Still struggling on how to keep the neck from moving if I don't use my left thumb at all. Without the thumb pushing the neck out doesn't your fretting fingers push the neck in?
No one said not to use the thumb at all. All I was saying in my earlier post was to try pressing the strings without the thumb on the neck, in order to give you an idea of just how little is the pressure required to fret. Your thumb should not "push the neck out", but should act as a counter resistance to the fingers, thus giving an even balance.

Here is another clip worth having a look at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRoQuXlj9w
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Good videos. Still struggling on how to keep the neck from moving if I don't use my left thumb at all. Without the thumb pushing the neck out doesn't your fretting fingers push the neck in?
This depends on your set up, with no idea of what sort of bass you use or its height, it is hard to give you the right answer for your personal situation.....for me I would have to see you playing in order to comment constructively.
First point is you learn to do it at the 12 fret area, or where you strap holds the bass, this is a neutral balance point and the weight of the bass is more than able to counter the lever action of the neck. (It is about leverage between the two hands till you learn how it feels)
Fact is the weight of the plucking arm will help counter any movement from the fretting arm. I would say if your plucking arm needs extra pressure then you are indeed playing to heavy with the fretting hand.

But here are the main areas to look at.
1/ Make sure there is enough flex in the fingers, this means they have enough curl to come back to the fretboard.
2/ The finger movement is from the fingertips, not the finger base, so the wrist needs to be as straight as it can be.
By learning to co-ordinate the fingers correctly the finger movement becomes lighter.
3/ The forearm does all the work, the fingers just react to the use by using muscles is the correct sequence.
4/The elbow is like a rudder, it controls the forearm, so it can position it and use the weight of the forearm to help fret notes.

That is it sort of in a nut shell, there is much more than this, but try these two simple exercises to get a feel for what is being said.

Put your hand to the neck, let the neck sit on the palm of the hand, curl your finger to the fretboard and touch a string.
Without moving your finger anymore, pull back your elbow so your forearm comes back, making the hand comes back and the finger push on the string down to fret the note. Then push the elbow forward to release it.
Do this with any finger, or any number of fingers to get the feel that it is not your fingers moving to creating any pressure to fret the note, but your elbow using the weight of the forearm through the hands, through the fingers, to the fingertips.
You should learn to feel what a heavy forearm feels like, it is this heavy forearm that helps stabilise the bass against a firm elbow and allows a lighter use of the fingers. Simply put the fingers do not create all the force needed to fret so there is no need to grip.
It is about keeping muscles active in a lively way not in a supportive way. It is the same muscles but use in a different order to create a better defined action.

If you have access to a trampoline, try this.
Jump up on to the trampoline and work out when you stop jumping and start bouncing?
May seem strange, but the fact is on a trampoline you stop jumping and use your leg muscles to bounce, you use them in a completely different way than you do when you jump.
So bounce on that trampoline for a minute or so, them get off and jump in the air.......see what I mean...same muscles, but a different action.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:20 AM
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If you need your thumb to clamp down on a string, your action and setup are way off. I don't use my thumb to help stop a fretted note. I use it more as a pivot.
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Might be the position of your thumb. It doesn't HAVE to be squarely in the center of the back of the neck. You might also try fingering 124. Just relax and do things the way they feel best.
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Good suggestions. Back to the drawing board after work today! Thanks all.
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