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Old 06-29-2006, 01:40 PM
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Why even pluck? Tapping is a lot faster than either pick or fingers. I'd like to see a pick player play octaves like Jaco in Teen Town, the 8:30 live version. A pick is very limiting. And I've never dropped or lost a finger.

This is all pointless. Most people don't pluck every note. Ever heard a violin? They get that speed though practice and discipline, playing some of the great composer in history. A lot of bassists come from listening their favorite in-your-face rock/metal band (I call it fuzz-pop), then try to play the most impressive stuff. It's as if they're trying to find the best easy-to-impressive ratio. It gets old fast.

I hit a new low. I swore I'd never get into these threads.
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From my perspective, it's not about trying to impress people with blinding speed. I'm after groove...that's what 90% of my bass playing is about. From that perspective, having the technique to do some fairly fast rhythmic structures is very useful.

I define "groove" as about 75% rhythm (including dynamics, articulation, phrasing, etc.) and 25% melody/harmony (ie. what pitch you're playing and why). With that definition in mind, techniques that can be used to play interesting, unusual, complex, syncopated, unusually phrased, whatever rhythms are extremely useful. Groove doesn't have to be fast...but it doesn't have to be slow either. If straight quarter notes groove for a particular song, then use it. If flurries of 32nd notes groove for another song, do it. If rests "groove" for another song, then use that. That's my humble opinion on the topic!

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Old 06-29-2006, 04:56 PM
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im probably faster with a pick but i got more control when im finger picking
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Old 07-07-2006, 01:26 AM
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Sorry to jump back in later (holiday travel), but the point of any technique is to keep filling the tool box. Speed picking has led to a lot of rather poor and unlistenable heavy metal albums in my opinion, but it has its place. The guitarists who really blew me away with pick speed are Frank Gambale and Al Di Meola. These guys don't play a zillion miles an hour all the time. However, their ability to fill a space in a composition with a BIG cascade of notes is something most of us could only wish for.

My other favorite for big notes is Eric Johnson. His instructional video talks at length about right hand technique, and he uses what he calls circle picking. The right thumb and index actually draw circles with the pick and cross the string twice per circle. It enables high consistent speed that can easily be used to cross strings. I would not say that it is a technique I've mastered, but working it into my playing enables me to cross strings much more effectively.

Someone asked if it is easier to shred on guitar than bass. That is definitely the case. It's all physics. The guitar strings are closer together, the frets are closer together, and the strings require less force to play because they have less mass. I think instruments like mandolin are potentially even faster because the strings are shorter and return to rest faster, the frets are still closer, and the strings are tuned to fifths so you can cover a whole octave on only two strings without moving your hand. (Violins are fastest of all if you don't change bow strokes on each note, but that's cheating.) Mandolin players can crank out pretty long streams of sixteenth notes at tempos of at least 140-150. What makes it impressive is that in some of these stretches, few if any of the notes are repeated. If you haven't heard good mandolin playing pick up Bluegrass Mandolin Extravaganza. It is a great introduction that is pretty enjoyable, at least in small doses.
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Old 07-08-2006, 01:25 AM
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is it easier to shred on a guitar than a bass then?
For sure, the string spacing is closer (less distance for the hand to move) and the action is a LOT lighter (easier to fret notes). Also, the smaller string size and higher frequences of the notes will allow faster playing with less "muddyness" that you get when doing that with bass.

Pretty much what the above poster said.

But to answer the original question, I think a pick does allow for faster playing with better overall note definition.
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