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08-12-2009, 11:36 AM
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When a bass player is playing what is perceived the beat, does some of them really have bad timing and just found a way to market it as a style?
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08-12-2009, 11:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Yuma, Az | | | Miles Davis took bad trumpet technique and turned it into a style. As time went by, those cracks, fizzles, and wind in his trumpet started sounding more and more musical.
I don't know why it'd be different for a bassist, or how I'd ever be able to tell without seeing the bassist in a different context.
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08-12-2009, 11:53 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NJ via NYC | | If you play in meter... you don't have bad timing do you. 
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08-12-2009, 11:59 AM
| | | | IMHO this isn't acceptable if speaking of any kind of rock'n'roll music.
I can't imagine 100000 people banging their heads at AC/DC show if C.Williams wouldn't hit every note exactly where the beat is. At least, it's crucial to lock with the snare drum which is always more or less off the beat.
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08-12-2009, 12:00 PM
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Endorsing Artist: J.C. Basses | | Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Phoenix, Arizona 85029 | | | Poor timing is poor timing, and unless the aim of the "music" is to sound as avante garde and messed up as possible, it's not a technique at all - it's just poor timing.
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Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X When a bass player is playing what is perceived the beat, does some of them really have bad timing and just found a way to market it as a style? | It is a style, some people dig it, it's like clapping on 1 and 3. |
08-12-2009, 02:50 PM
| | | | Phil Lesh sometimes does this sort of thing. Live stuff. He stays from the root and hits on off notes at off places. Its a good excercise to start a riff or flow using an and or like before the 1.
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08-12-2009, 02:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastman, GA | | | This technique is not unique to bass players. Lots of "entertainers" have successfully pulled this trick off. I am not referring specifically to timing, but in general.
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08-12-2009, 02:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lubbock, Texas | | | IMHO arrhythmic lines and fills are trickier than anything that falls where it would be expected.
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08-12-2009, 03:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: portland, OR/vancouver, WA | | | I don't think he meant "on the 1 or not on the 1". I think he may have been refering to the old "Behind, After or On the beat" thing.
And I think it probably at least began wiith some one feeling a bit slow that day, then the rest of the band (the guy on rock and sticks and the guy on mammoth whiskers) say "Hey, that's cooooool"
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08-12-2009, 03:56 PM
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I know Amp and I'm very familiar with his music and his versatility as an artist, who has many songs with different rhythms not just when they fall behind the beat. |
08-12-2009, 04:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Czech | | I actually admire the Amp Fiddler songs I have posted, I like that strange flow. And I think it is trickier to play well in this way than to play it straight on the beat.
But I am afraid I did not clearly understood the point of your original post.
Did you mean like someone with bad timing is pretending to have this off-beat flow and selling his lacks as a feature?  |
08-12-2009, 04:18 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: 21804 | | There is a Muse song form one of the older albums that drives me crazy when I hear it because the bass is slightly behind the beat. Let me see if I find it.
FOUND IT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZD6S...eature=related
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08-12-2009, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nemo Did you mean like someone with bad timing is pretending to have this off-beat flow and selling his lacks as a feature? |  |
08-13-2009, 10:54 AM
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Keeping the Groove staying out of Treble | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Delhi,India | | | i dont know if i can really explain this properly or not,but here goes.bassically when you count its generally like - one and two and three and four.the offbeat note is kinda on the 'and'.you'll just get to know when you hit it. |
08-13-2009, 11:02 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I been everywhere, man... | | | I can think of a very, very famous player in a top selling band whose time is often questionable at best, but most of his fanboys are too young or aren't musically astute enough to hear it.
His band moves a lot of product which makes his style "legit" in most circles, but much of his stuff makes me cringe.
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08-13-2009, 11:05 AM
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08-13-2009, 11:31 AM
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