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03-22-2007, 01:53 AM
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i kno some tune to C or D to get a heavier "chug", but i cant see a 1/2 down would make much of a difference, or is to make the strings looser, makeing them easier to play faster? or is there other reasons?
if there is a good reason, i may start tuneing down, i just dont wanna re-learn the fret board 
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03-22-2007, 04:14 AM
| | Registered User el Jefe: Rude Mechtronics | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia | | | Don't think of it as re-learning the fretboard; in most transcriptions they will transcribe as if it were in standard and annotate "all notes one half-tone lower than transcribed".
The short version is this: metal bands downtune because Black Sabbath did. Sabbath downtuned because Ozzy could sing better in C# and Tony could play easier with his missing fingertips.
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03-22-2007, 04:30 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gold Coast, Australia | | | Most of the time, if a band tunes down half a step its to compensate for the singer. | 
03-22-2007, 04:36 AM
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Althrought I donīt play pure metal, the guitarrist and me tuned down each string 1/2 step, soo the vocalist(wich is the guitarrist too) doesnīt have to strain his voice. | 
03-22-2007, 04:42 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ellenwood,Ga. | | | The band I just joined a month ago tunes down 1/2 step.I really didn't think it would make that much of a difference.But after a couple of weeks,we played a tune in standard,and singing was a bit more work. No doubt in my mind now,that it does make it easier,especially on the vocalists.
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03-22-2007, 04:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Morgantown, WV | | | my band tunes down to BEAD to compensate for only having 1 guitar player.
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03-22-2007, 04:53 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Manila, Philippines | | Quote:
Originally Posted by 73jbass The band I just joined a month ago tunes down 1/2 step.I really didn't think it would make that much of a difference.But after a couple of weeks,we played a tune in standard,and singing was a bit more work. No doubt in my mind now,that it does make it easier,especially on the vocalists. | so true. in my main band, our vocalist asked to tune down half a step to make it easier and now he never ever wants to go back to standard tuning. (i honestly think it can be used as a cop out by some people though...) | 
03-22-2007, 06:21 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Canada | | | Cause it sounds heavier? That's the only reason I could ever think of.
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03-22-2007, 07:18 AM
| | Dumbing My Process Down | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Michigan | | | My band does this, and has always done this. We're not a metal band, but more like a grunge-rock type thing. I think it started when the band first got together, we did a couple of Smashing Pumpkins covers, and some other music of that ilk, and so when we got to writing, our guitars were still tuned that way, and, being lazy, and cognizant of only having one guitar each at the time, we just left it that way. Meh. Works for me.
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03-22-2007, 07:24 AM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI | | | Strings are looser, which makes the tone a bit "thicker" sounding. I dont go any lower than 1/2 step though. Only standard and 1/2 step down for me. | 
03-22-2007, 07:30 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: forest hills ny | | im partial to drop d 
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03-22-2007, 09:42 AM
| | Registered User Hi-fi into an old tube amp | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: SW | | | There is no reason other than that it gives it the right modern sound. Otherwise it sounds like 80's E-Metal. Which is all good if that's what you are going for.
I keep my 5 string in standard and compensate for whatever the guitar is in. I need my tension.
I've never had the guitarist 1/2 step down, always more than that.
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03-22-2007, 09:53 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Yuma, Az | | | Guitarists started tuning a 1/2 step down in the '60s. It reduced string tension at a time when there weren't a ton of string brands and guages to choose from, and made this new-fangled soloing thing, with fast licks and bent notes, easier. Bands have been doing it ever since.
Even though a 1/2 step down doesn't sound like much of a difference, it makes a huge difference in how a guitar feels. The fact that singers don't have to work as hard to hit high notes may have something to do with it, as well.
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03-22-2007, 10:08 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Florida | | | Drop D sounds best to me. Just the E->D
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03-22-2007, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Cause it sounds heavier? | Bingo. You think death/thrash/black metal vocals care what they're tuned to? No way. Those vocals are pretty much atonal. It just sounds heavier.
Tuning down originally came from BLUES to make it easier for the guitarist to do those big Albert King bends.
There were a lot of 80's E-metal bands, but those were more the speed/power metal bands. The heavier ones tuned down.
Listen to (or learn covers from):
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Venom - At War With Satan
Slayer - Haunting the Chapel
all tuned to D standard
Suffocation came out of the gate with their first records tuned to D flat. Early Carcass tuned to C natural.
B natural always sounded boring and cardboard-ey to me (Unleashed). I prefer B flat because it just sounds better.
Mortician tuned to A flat. Sounds HEAVY.
Lots of doom bands tune down for the same reason. Sounds heavier.
Downtuning has been adopted by a lot of modern bands that aren't even close to being heavy. Which is kind of like moshing to Alanis Morrisette, or adopting the "metal sign" for your emo pop band. Posers. 
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03-22-2007, 10:26 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boston | | | It just makes it easier to be heavy.My band tunes to B. | 
03-22-2007, 10:29 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ribwich, ZF | | | Because Alice in Chains did it and everything they did was AWESOME.
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03-22-2007, 10:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: moncton new brunswick | | | electric wizard tune to drop G, i tried it, and my regular gauge strings could hardly keep up | 
03-22-2007, 10:45 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Francisco Bay Area | | | I guess a better question is...why not tune down? | 
03-22-2007, 11:32 AM
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