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Old 07-05-2011, 10:37 PM
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Progressive Sequences Lesson & Fingering Question

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Hi Adam,

I've just joined MusicDojo.com and I must say I'm very impressed! Quite the nice site you've got there!

I'm familiar with your work mostly via the CCM scene, but you've recently expanded my musical horizons with your wonderful jazz work on your own label.

Having only picked up the electric bass 2 years ago at the age of 45 to fulfill a lifelong dream (and being a self-taught/book taught bassist) I found that I had plateaued in my skill set..... thus my journey to MusicDojo.com (referred by others here on Talkbass.com!)

I'm working through the 5 free lessons prior to enrolling in your Jazz Improvisation 1 class in a few weeks, and I have a question regarding the fingering pattern you've shown in the Progressive Sequences Lesson.

You show a fingering pattern for a major harmonic scale as:

G|--| 1| 2|--| 4|
D|--| 1| 2|--| 4|
A| 1|--| 2|--| 4|
E| 1|--| 2|--| 4|

I understand that this non-traditional fingering gives you 12 notes to play with, instead of the 11 you would have if you stuck to the traditional "in-the-box" scalar fingering pattern, and that 12th note ends up being the 5th of the octave (very cool!).... but I was amazed at how difficult it was for me to get my hand "moving" up and down the neck (even this little bit) to get my fingers to the frets for a clean sound on the E and A strings!

I was so used to a stationary fingering style and the "conservation of movement" school of fretwork, I really only slid my hand significantly when needed for chord changes during songs.

Your Progressive Sequencing exercise is a brilliant way to really limber up the fingers and get them flying up, down, and around the frets.

Is this fingering pattern what most jazz musicians primarily use when playing in a major key (i.e. starting with the index finger on the root)?

Looking forward to the upcoming class!
-Clint Greene aka GatorDogDoc
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:52 AM
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hi clint!

nice to meet you, and thanks so much for checking out musicdojo! sorry for the delay in response; i've been out of town a lot and have a lot of catch up work and correspondence.

as for the answer to your question, those 3 note per string patterns are really designed to be reference patterns that encourage increased range and dexterity in any static position on the fingerboard. although they do make for a practical approach to hand positions in terms of extended range, i really don't look at them (or any other specific pattern for that matter) as being completely foundational in any applied setting on the gig or in the studio. in other words, when i am performing or practicing a performance i don't really think about patterns at all. instead, i allow my hands to execute each phrase based on their own 'intuitive conditioning' that ultimately came from the work i did with patterns in the practice shed. just like we are what we eat, we likewise usually play what we practice, so if you maintain a diversified technical approach that allows for economy of motion in your muscle memory/ear training, you should ultimately be free to let your hands do what comes natural when spontaneously inspired on the gig. hope that makes sense!

adam
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:36 PM
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(abbreviated).....just like we are what we eat, we likewise usually play what we practice, so if you maintain a diversified technical approach that allows for economy of motion in your muscle memory/ear training, you should ultimately be free to let your hands do what comes natural when spontaneously inspired on the gig. hope that makes sense!

adam
Yup, makes perfect sense..... Now I just gotta work on all those "diversified" aspects of bass playing/listening/feeling that'll get me there!

I'm currently transitioning from the "Conscious Not Knowing" to the "Conscious Knowing" level of musical awareness (as per Anthony Wellington).... pretty sure I'll never get to the "Unconscious Knowing" status that you, Anthony, Victor W., Carol K., etc., etc. have obtained, but a guy can dream, right?

Looking forward to my first MusicDojo.com class. Thanks for the personal reply.

-Clint aka GatorDogDoc
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:48 PM
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no problem, clint. i'll see ya in class!!! thanks!

adam

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Yup, makes perfect sense..... Now I just gotta work on all those "diversified" aspects of bass playing/listening/feeling that'll get me there!

I'm currently transitioning from the "Conscious Not Knowing" to the "Conscious Knowing" level of musical awareness (as per Anthony Wellington).... pretty sure I'll never get to the "Unconscious Knowing" status that you, Anthony, Victor W., Carol K., etc., etc. have obtained, but a guy can dream, right?

Looking forward to my first MusicDojo.com class. Thanks for the personal reply.

-Clint aka GatorDogDoc
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