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Old 01-27-2011, 03:51 PM
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Q. What strategies have you employed to deal with students who have had greater-than-

Stev187 has posted an interesting question: Q. What strategies have you employed to deal with students who have had greater-than-normal difficulty learning the double bass?

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First, I'd like to recommend a book called "Nurtured By Love" by Dr. Shinichi Suzuki, the creator of the Suzuki violin method. Dr. Suzuki states that music is a language, and anyone capable of learning a spoken language should be able to learn music. He cautions us against comparing ourselves to others ("I wish I was as good as who ever"...usually someone who has played for years), and warns us that one who practices for three hours will sound like someone who has practiced for three hours...so if you want to sound good, you have to do the work.

Another great book is called "Effortless Mastery" by Kenny Werner. Among other things, Mr. Werner councils us to accept our own personal unique musical identity, and not to "beat ourselves up" for our shortcomings.

Both books say that (so called) "talent" is not "required" for one to enhance their lives through music. All you "need" is the desire to play, and the will to learn. Sure, you may not be the next Glenn Gould, Yo Yo Ma or Wynton Marsalis...but you can be YOURSELF!

There are many such books that offer the reader a fresh perspective. All are welcome, and all can contribute something of value.

All that said, to answer the original question: "What do I DO...?"
I encourage my students to read both of the books I mentioned.

Another thing I did was to teach myself other instruments using the methods I employ to teach bass. When I first started teaching I learned a very valuable lesson: That I had lost my perspective of what it really meant to be a beginner. My poor first few students got something like this: "Bass, yeah, here' how ya hold it, here's how ya tune it...alrighty then, lets get down to tritone substitution and secondary dominant chords!"
These were beginners! I was trying to teach them what I was working on...probably because I found it so interesting...but I didn't focus on what THEY NEEDED!

So I started on my second instrument...then my third, fourth and so on. Now I wouldn't hire myself for a gig on some of those instruments...but teaching myself how to play them really helped me become a better teacher...I no longer "taught bass"...now I teach MUSIC, and most of my students are or want to be bassists.

I learned that when anyone learns ANY instrument, they are learning TWO things: Technique and Musicianship.

Technique is how you physically make sound come from the instrument.

Musicianship is what you do with the sound once you know how to make it.

When teaching myself a new instrument, I quickly discovered that I had NO technique, but I did have my knowledge of musicianship. This helped me to understand the importance of things like ear training...which I didn't find very exciting in music school.

Who was at fault for that? Ultimately ME, but what if I had a teacher who was EXCITED about teaching? Someone who loved music as much as I did...I had one professor tell me that one of my favorite bands at the time (The Ramones) were CRAP.
WOW! Thanks a lot for teaching me to keep an OPEN MIND!

As I write this, I realize that I am rambling...so I will "Sum Up" a few ideas to help students that have trouble learning:

1- Patience
2- Enthusiasm (on the part of the teacher)
3- Help the student SET GOALS- short, medium and long term.
4- Encouragement.
5- Empathy- Try to put yourself in THEIR shoes.

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Old 02-01-2011, 07:53 PM
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Joe--

Thanks a bunch for giving this a go; the books you mention sound great and I am going to read them both. I don't expect this thread will go anywhere else. I suspect that most students who struggle to learn music either quit or hide it, and most teachers probably prefer to work with students who really excel. This was helpful for me, though, and thanks.

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I agree with most of what Joe has said above. The important thing is that each student not look to others as a measuring stick for their own success or lack thereof, but rather focus on their own journey and the small steps they take along the way. If there is a passion for the subject, anyone can and will make some progress. If there isn't, what's the point, really?
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More thoughts...

Part of being a teacher is to bring structure, provide a method, and help our students set reasonable short, medium and long term goals. We should be able to recognize their strong and weak areas, and instill a good solid work ethic. Part of being a "good" teacher (imho) is helping your student manage their expectations and "enjoy the journey" as Chris said.

For my students who struggle I have to maintain patience and offer encouragement...I know that people assimilate information differently. What works or worked for some may not work for others, so I have to be actively engaged in the their learning process...not just "mailing it in". If the student isn't learning, I HAVE to make sure that I've done everything I can to help.

But is the student doing THEIR share? Are they making and honest concerted effort? Are they practicing enough? Are they practicing "correctly"? A teacher has to point out the difference between PRACTICE (which is WORK) and PLAYING (which should be FUN!).

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timely!

Chris & Joe: Thanks so much. Your thoughts are timely, as I have my first bass lesson in over 20 years tomorrow on my lunch hour! As a veteran classroom teacher, I firmly believe in that two-way commitment between teacher and student (and I think that I'll be better able to hold up the student end of that bargain now than I was back in college). Regarding practicing, I'm reminded of this quote from my frayed 1983 edition of Rufus Reid's The Evolving Bassist, which I will be taking to my lesson tomorrow:
Many students waste time playing things they can already play, and never take time to break down the problems that inhibit them from progressing. No matter what level of proficiency you acquire there will always be some sort of problem you struggle with.

Man, have I been guilty of that. Luckily, there's no shortage of "struggles" for me to focus on now. Thanks again for your thoughts, and for this great forum, which has been an inspiring part of "getting back into" the bass after many years away.

--Steve
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While I am not a certified bass instructor registered on this forum, I have conducted training, coaching and taught classes for businesses and regardless of the subject the fundamentals of good instruction (particularly motivating others) remain the same. I could list a million things that a good instructor should have, but I'll be brief and name a few.

1. First and foremost you must have a selfless desire to contribute to the well being of others, not just as musicians, but as a friend and mentor. If you do not have a positive emotional response when others succeed and experience triumph then you aren't teaching for the right reasons.

2. You must be willing to provide consistent, applicable feedback based on observation, personal experience, and trial and error. If a student is doing something wrong it important to acknowledge the effort, ask them their thought process and reasoning behind the error, and then demonstrate a path and method to the student that will not only correct the error, but make logical sense and seem beneficial to implement the change.

In my experience if someone can understand the thinking behind a suggested change this help he/she to feel empowered in the lesson process and more willing to adapt needed changes. Be a consultant, not a task master.

3. Make your lesson as much about understanding what motivates said individual and finding ways to bring this out through your own creativity rather than making lessons recitals. If someone isn't practicing, isn't listening etc, your job then becomes to find out why.

People often procrastinate because of a past negative experience where honest effort was met with harshness, unhelpful criticism or inattention by someone who may have been treated the same way in the past and is now abusing a student to cover their own pain.

You have a unique opportunity to mend and heal this with proper and loving instruction and in the process unleash the potential that has always existed inside of the student. If student needs to practice more, then you must teach the student how to practice more.

This could even be something as radical as setting up an "accountability call" on Skype or via phone where you actually monitor the practice and guide the student back to a place of self reliance. This example is not practical for everyone, but there are people who need this sort of guidance. Poor Habits are incredibly hard to break, but can be done with proper guidance. Think of something like the "Biggest Loser" as an example of what can happen with their is a passion to help others change what was once thought to be unchangeable and in turn give them the gift of freedom from their demons and let them experience the true joy of music.

I'll have to continue this later, but just some food for thought. I'm not recommending that every teacher suddenly become psychologist, mother,father, friend etc., but if you don't at least don't think about these things on some level, then what are you really teaching for?
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I agree with most of what Joe has said above. The important thing is that each student not look to others as a measuring stick for their own success or lack thereof, but rather focus on their own journey and the small steps they take along the way. If there is a passion for the subject, anyone can and will make some progress. If there isn't, what's the point, really?
How very yoga or zen or whatever...

I totally agree.
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