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Old 12-15-2010, 02:25 AM
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the 12 bar blues... blues (get it?)

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so i went to an audition today which went... kinda bad

first off, i had to try to learn like 10 different sublime songs by ear which frankly was very difficult because i have a hard time finding out what KEY anything is when its some on the upbeat constant raggae chord and NOTHING else

then we jammed in the key of G and it was the 12 bar blues! and i know how to jam in keys, but only if we're talking about the KEY not in a key with a chord progression IN the key! i don't know how do???

so heres what i know in regards to the 12 bar blues

so lets say its in the key of G, its 4 bars in the G chord, 2 bars in the C chord, 2 bars in the G chord, 1 bar in the D chord, 1 bar in the C chord, one bar in the G chord, 1 bar in the D chord, repeat

right? but how do i play bass to this? i feel like just a jerk sittin there playing the roots to each chord on the downbeat... so how do i do my job? and how do i JAM when it comes my time to solo?? how do i solo in a progressioned song?? i can't tell you how much of a trainwreck it was when it was my turn to solo
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Old 12-15-2010, 02:30 AM
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Check out the link in my sig. below for some TB info that will help you out.

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Old 12-15-2010, 02:53 AM
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For this I really like John Paul Jones bass line on you shook me from the first Zep album. It's basically blues scheme (not G but I believe A - not to sure but doesn't really matter as the scheme is always the same). Check it out, there are plenty tabs around.
I think he really makes it interesting (usually I find this 12 bar blues rather lame and a beloved guitard "I show what I can do on guitar"-showcase).
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Old 12-15-2010, 03:24 AM
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stumbo what would we ever do without you? seriously, you are my oprah

probert, **** yeah i know what you mean about the guitard always being all like "i show what i can dueee"
its annoying
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Old 12-15-2010, 04:49 AM
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so heres what i know in regards to the 12 bar blues

so lets say its in the key of G, its 4 bars in the G chord, 2 bars in the C chord, 2 bars in the G chord, 1 bar in the D chord, 1 bar in the C chord, one bar in the G chord, 1 bar in the D chord, repeat

right? but how do i play bass to this? i feel like just a jerk sittin there playing the roots to each chord on the downbeat... so how do i do my job? and how do i JAM when it comes my time to solo?? how do i solo in a progressioned song?? i can't tell you how much of a trainwreck it was when it was my turn to solo
Nice to hear you're listening to some blues.
First off refer to the structure by its true bar numbers. Blues has many formats so by listing them as the actual bar numbers and getting used to where changes can and should occur makes it easier to understand.
What you wrote is generally listed as,
G to the 4, C to the 6, G to the 8, D on the 9, C on the 10, G on the 11 and D (the turnaround) on the 12. This is a form of 1-4-1-5. Blues songs can be quickly explained as numbers as in 1-4-5, or 1-4-5 quick up to the 4, etc.
The keys as you write them are not really keys, but references to where the structure goes, hence the use of the numbers.

Because a song stars in G does not mean it is in G. This is a reference to the starting point. I mean G what????
This is your starting point,find/work out what chords are being used or learn to recognise them, so you can work out what chord tones can you use.
In Blues lines that move, they usually move in the chord tones used, either to lead to, come from, or frame the song. So G means nothing in the scheme of things to a good experienced player, it is just a reference point. Where as G minor, G7, G minor7 will give you information about what you can do.
Take that a stage further and some one might use the Blues format to write a song with more interesting chord tones as in a funky or jazz blues.

The importance of understanding the relationship between the major, minor, Dom7 (Dominant7) and 7ths are the first steps to learning.
The chord tones for each are
Major and Dom7th 1-3-5-6 then a 7 can be added if required. You can use all or some of these tones is various combinations or just hit the root.

Minor gives us 1-3-5-7( notice the 7 is the same in a Minor as in a Dom. That is a subtle difference but a good one to understand) Again all or some can be used or just play the root. The numbers refer to the scale and the scale tone. each scale start on the root (1) then has seven notes to follow to make the octave 2-3-4-5-6-7-8.
G major has in its scale G-A-B-C-D-E-F#-G so we can see that the notes to use are G-B-D-E but the 7 does not sound right.
G7 has the scale notes of G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G notice the 7 is different. So again using 1-3-5-6- is the same as the major but the 7 now sound better if used in this context.
This brings us to the idea that songs can be major but imply the Dom7.

Now these ideas work in all positions so long as the key is understood and its relationship to the song. These are passing notes, leading notes, notes that frame the structure, notes that support the structure etc. In blues as in Rock 'n' Roll simple chord tones are used to frame songs and in all these examples 1-3-5 is your basic, and when used correctly 3 and 7 will give you some nice simple "colours" to your lines.
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..........but how do i play bass to this? i feel like just a jerk sittin there playing the roots to each chord on the downbeat... so how do i do my job? and how do i JAM when it comes my time to solo?? how do i solo in a progressioned song?? i can't tell you how much of a trainwreck it was when it was my turn to solo
I think you had a pretty good grasp of the Blues to start with - not enough to hold your own in a Blues band but with some independent study you could pull it off. From your question; "....how do I solo in a progressioned song" if you did not know that you had no business putting yourself in this situation. OK that out of the way.

1) Not everyone in a band needs to do a solo, IMHO the bass does not lend itself to solos anyway, so just pass up that until you can pull it off.
2) Nothing wrong with roots - if those roots built a groove. R-3-5-b7 on one side of the pendulum swing, roots on the other. Generic roots and 5's build a pretty good groove.
3) Soloing - one of the better ways is using the pentatonic scale over the cord changes, a better way would be to play the Blues scale over the chord changes. Accenting the blue note helps.
4) Chalk this up as a bad experience, learn from it, and move on.

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Old 12-15-2010, 06:10 AM
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Blues are a MUST for jammin' and really the back bone of everything else.

There is always a 'non-fail' bassline for blues (unless it's strait minor blues which I'm sure it wasn't)

Here:
Play root--G
major 3rd--B
5th--D
walk down D-C#-C

and repeat Root--third--5th

and repeat.
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