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Old 08-11-2004, 06:11 PM
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I want to know any experiences about the Jaco ways of play scale

I just saw the home video and I see that he plays 1,2 and 3 on E string, them he plays 4,5, and 6 on A string and lasts he plays 7 and 8th degree on D string ( optional play 9th and 10, 11 and 12 degree on G string ( I don't mean a bikini G-string, jaja)).

I see it easiest, and better to play modes on that way, what do you think. It is a great change for me than traditional way ( example: Patrick Pfeifeer's way), but I feel better.
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I see it easiest, and better to play modes on that way, what do you think. It is a great change for me than traditional way ( example: Patrick Pfeifeer's way), but I feel better.
Do not get confused. You can play any mode at any place on the neck out of many fingering positions. Two notes per string, three notes per string, four notes per string, close fingering, spread fingering...but yes the three notes per string spread fingering does work out to seven fingering positions that you could say are "modes". But do not get confused with thinking that if you are playing one of those seven fingering positions you are playing in that mode.

I think it is spelled Patrick Pfeiffer.

There is no "traditional" way.

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The notes of the major scale layout on the fretboard in a continuous vertical manner in two shapes, close fingering, and spread fingering:

Close Fingering:

|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|-----|-----|
|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|-----|
|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|-----|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|-----|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|-----|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|-----|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|

Spread fingering:

|-----|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|-----|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|-----|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|-----|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|-----|

Close fingering works out to five positions and spread fingering works out to seven fingerings.
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Close Fingering

Major Scale, Close Fingering, Form 7/1:

|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|


Major Scale, Close Fingering, Form 2:

|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|


Major Scale, Close Fingering, Form 3/4:

|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|


Major Scale, Close Fingering, Form 5:

|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|-----|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|


Major Scale, Close Fingering, Form 6:

|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:00 AM
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Spread Fingering

Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 1

|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 2

|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 3

|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 4

|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 5

|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|
|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|
|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 6

|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|
|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|--6--|
|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|


Major Scale, Spread Fingering, Form 7

|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|--3--|
|--5--|-----|--6--|-----|--7--|
|--2--|-----|--3--|--4--|-----|
|--6--|-----|--7--|--1--|-----|
|--3--|--4--|-----|--5--|-----|
|--7--|--1--|-----|--2--|-----|
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Spread Fingering
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:07 AM
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Darn. They don't line up like I wanted them to. I will go back and fix that later when I have time.

I think you can see how they fit together.

Tim99.
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I try as hard as I can to not use patterns. I try to think notes. Certainly the knowledge of those patterns can help, but they can also seriously limit. We play music not geometry.
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I try as hard as I can to not use patterns. I try to think notes. Certainly the knowledge of those patterns can help, but they can also seriously limit. We play music not geometry.
I try as hard as I can to not use my mind. I try to hear notes. Certainly the knowledge of the names of the notes and the sharps and flats can help, but they can also seriously limit. We play music not spelling.

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I try as hard as I can to not use my mind. I try to hear notes. Certainly the knowledge of the names of the notes and the sharps and flats can help, but they can also seriously limit. We play music not spelling.

Tim99.

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I try as hard as I can to not use my mind. I try to hear notes. Certainly the knowledge of the names of the notes and the sharps and flats can help, but they can also seriously limit. We play music not spelling.

Tim99.
I didn't mean that as a snotty response. I don't think note names either. Maybe it would have been more appropriate to use the word pitch or tone. I struggled with breaking out of the rut that learning pattern can lead to. It wasn't until I started playing upright that I was able to. Patterns are not as applicable on that instrument. I try to caution my students and younger players to rely too much on patterns. That's all I meant.
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Patterns are tools which help me find the note in my mind... However, if you shred, patterns make your job so easy.
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Hi
I want to know any experiences about the Jaco ways of play scale

I just saw the home video and I see that he plays 1,2 and 3 on E string, them he plays 4,5, and 6 on A string and lasts he plays 7 and 8th degree on D string ( optional play 9th and 10, 11 and 12 degree on G string ( I don't mean a bikini G-string, jaja)).

I see it easiest, and better to play modes on that way, what do you think. It is a great change for me than traditional way ( example: Patrick Pfeifeer's way), but I feel better.
It's a two octave form of the same same scales, usually used higher on the neck or on guitar (since the note/fret spacing is too wide near the nut).

It's called a two octave pattern because after the first octave, it puts your hand in the perfect place to play a major scale all over again starting on the D string, though usually in the more traditional way.

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Darn. They don't line up like I wanted them to. I will go back and fix that later when I have time.

I think you can see how they fit together.

Tim99.
Just surround it with the "Code" text. The little "#" symbol in the advanced editing view. Example:

Code:
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|---|-O-|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|---|-O-|---|-O-|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|---|-O-|-O-|---|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|---|-O-|---|---|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|-O-|---|-O-|---|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|-O-|---|---|-O-|---|
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Patterns are tools which help me find the note in my mind... However, if you shred, patterns make your job so easy.
You're bumping a 5 year old thread to say that?
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You're bumping a 5 year old thread to say that?
Well you just bumped a 5 year old thread to say that.*

* if you measure age from the start of the thread & not the most recent post.
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