any thoughts on roy vogts teach me bass guitar?

[helterschecter]

Iv been taking lessons for about a year now and recently my bass instructor passed away. Iv been looking for a new instructor but I can't seem to find one that I like.so I was wondering that if anyone has ever used the teach me bass guitar program and their thoughts on it.

[JimmyM]

Sorry to hear that about your instructor. I haven't used Roy's program, but Roy is a super talented nice guy who's also a college educator (and a regular on here), and while I'm a big believer in having a good teacher, no doubt in my mind that his package is based around solid musical principles that will help you improve a lot if you work them. I believe he has a couple sample lesson vids posted on Youtube if you want to see what it's like.

[NineSpine]

I have had some spirited conversation with Roy and he is an incredibly knowledgeable and nice guy. I suggest sending him a PM, telling him what you are trying to accomplish, and asking if his program would be right for you. I have no doubt he will give you an honest answer.

[helterschecter]

Iv been searching the net for any actuall real reviews of this product but can't find any. You would think you would find something but I guess not

[irishryno]

Look at it this way, if they were bad lessons you would see crap all over the web about him. Sometimes no news can be good news...just ask Estaban. Plenty of articles about his crap.

[kbuschmann]

Originally Posted by helterschecter

Iv been taking lessons for about a year now and recently my bass instructor passed away. Iv been looking for a new instructor but I can't seem to find one that I like.so I was wondering that if anyone has ever used the teach me bass guitar program and their thoughts on it.

I have used TMBG and can recommend it for the late-beginner to intermediate student. It is generally well produced and a fun way to learn. The emphasis is on playing songs rather than theory or technical intricacies. For much depth on the latter subjects, you'll have to turn elsewhere. But Roy will have you work up some chops in quick order and have a good time doing it.

[John Wentzien]

Roy is a PRO...couldn't get any better!

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by kbuschmann

I have used TMBG and can recommend it for the late-beginner to intermediate student. It is generally well produced and a fun way to learn. The emphasis is on playing songs rather than theory or technical intricacies. For much depth on the latter subjects, you'll have to turn elsewhere. But Roy will have you work up some chops in quick order and have a good time doing it.

I think the reason you might not see such an emphasis on theory and technical intricacies in Roy's DVD's is because a chordal approach to theory is better for learning bass than modal theory. Chords tell you everything you need to know and allows for using all 12 notes while modes limit you to safe choices and scalar playing. I'm pretty positive Roy subscribes to that idea as well. As for technical intricacies, that comes with learning the music, so you're best to just work on music and the intricacies will come through that.

Of course, I shouldn't speak for him, but I've talked enough with him on here that I believe that's what he believes. Plus he's a friend and fan of Jeff Berlin's and Jeff would give him what-fer! I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong about that, but that would be my guess about it.

[Roy Vogt]

You're pretty much dead-on Jimmy. I do teach the information based on chords first, then different kinds of approaches and then finally pentatonic scales and modes. The idea of using music instead of dry etudes is to give the student something fun and musical to practice with.
I would be the first to admit that there wasn't enough time and space to teach everything in one course. It's designed to take someone from an absolute beginner to an intermediate player able to go to any of the fine bass methods out there and get the most out of them. I will be working on a College Level text/course during this next year and hopefully this will pick up where TMBG leaves off.
Finally, I don't claim to have the only right method, and I'd advise you to view with caution anyone who made that claim. I just tried to put my 41 years of playing and 32 years of teaching at the University Level into a concise system that could help the player learn and improve if he or she chooses the "formal self-instruction" route.

[Roy Vogt]

Originally Posted by helterschecter

Iv been searching the net for any actuall real reviews of this product but can't find any. You would think you would find something but I guess not

I believe Damian Erskine has reviewed the course for Bass Musician Magazine and John Liebman has reviewed it for his For Bass Players Only website.
Here are the review links:
Recommended ‘Learning’ With Damian Erskine: Roy Vogt | “Teach Me Bass Guitar” | Bass Musician Magazine [the face of bass]
Teach Me Bass Guitar review
While you're there, check out both sites-they're pretty cool!

[JimmyM]

Glad I didn't blow it for you, Roy

[helterschecter]

Thx all for the input. I actually just ordered the program. After I get it and have put some real time into studying it I will come back and put a review on it. Thx for the help

[kbuschmann]

Originally Posted by Roy Vogt

.... I will be working on a College Level text/course during this next year and hopefully this will pick up where TMBG leaves off.

Do you plan on offering this in a format suitable for 'self-learners' (i.e. similar to the TMBG audience)? If so, what would that format be? If you're compiling a list of potential buyers, put my name at the top of the list - take that as encouragement or pleading, but I would really like to see a product like this coming from you.

In the six months I used TMBG (I'm old and slow) I went from nothing to being where I had hoped to be after a couple of years. And, as mentioned previously, enjoyed the process - which helped enormously to keep me going.

[Roy Vogt]

Originally Posted by kbuschmann

Do you plan on offering this in a format suitable for 'self-learners' (i.e. similar to the TMBG audience)? If so, what would that format be? If you're compiling a list of potential buyers, put my name at the top of the list - take that as encouragement or pleading, but I would really like to see a product like this coming from you.

In the six months I used TMBG (I'm old and slow) I went from nothing to being where I had hoped to be after a couple of years. And, as mentioned previously, enjoyed the process - which helped enormously to keep me going.

Thanks so much for your support! As of now the plan is for a more conventional Book/CD/DVD format, since the general idea is that the more you work with TMBG the more you'll be able to process increasingly more sophisticated material and learning methods. I'm sure there will be a TMBG Phase II somewhere along the way-whether or not it's this next method is too soon to call.
I feel I've succeeded when a student has completed TMBG and can go get any Music or Bass Book by any Author and get something out of it because they can process the information better.

[helterschecter]

So I finally received my teach me bass program. I thought that since iv been taking lessons for a year now that the first couple of lessons were going to be a breeze..wrong. In the first two lessons he tells you to learn the neck up and down and wants you to learn like 7 major chords. Seems like a lot for the first two lessons. That being said the coarse seems to be ok so far. I will keep on working with this coarse and will post my thoughts on it as I progress

[Roy Vogt]

Those lessons are designed to take about a month to 45 days to master. The whole course tends to take anywhere from 18-24 months to get through, but I purposely loaded it down with good information and no fluff. It can get intense, the forums on Thunder Row help out a lot.
www.thunderrow.com

[odin70]

Originally Posted by Roy Vogt

You're pretty much dead-on Jimmy. I do teach the information based on chords first, then different kinds of approaches and then finally pentatonic scales and modes. The idea of using music instead of dry etudes is to give the student something fun and musical to practice with.
I would be the first to admit that there wasn't enough time and space to teach everything in one course. It's designed to take someone from an absolute beginner to an intermediate player able to go to any of the fine bass methods out there and get the most out of them. I will be working on a College Level text/course during this next year and hopefully this will pick up where TMBG leaves off.
Finally, I don't claim to have the only right method, and I'd advise you to view with caution anyone who made that claim. I just tried to put my 41 years of playing and 32 years of teaching at the University Level into a concise system that could help the player learn and improve if he or she chooses the "formal self-instruction" route.

As you can see. A true gentleman..and i belive, a great teacher.

[Roy Vogt]

Originally Posted by odin70

As you can see. A true gentleman..and i belive, a great teacher.

Thanks!

[helterschecter]

I thank you Roy for your input for my concerns on your coarse. You say the lessons are made to take around a month to 45 days to master. I was wondering how long of practice sessions was this based on? Thx again for any help

[funkybass]

I have TMBG and it's bar far the best beginner course I've ever seen. I highly recommend it.