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Old 01-17-2010, 12:58 PM
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has anyone downloaded the .pdf of the trombone book?

my .pdf is a "negative" of the book... ...pages all black with the notes white... ...looks horrible.

anyone has the same problem??
Nope, when I downloaded the pdf it looks normal. Perhaps try again?
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I downloaded nothing but blank pages. Oh well, I have the Chord Studies for Bass.
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The download worked great for me. Thanks for the link Pete! I've already got a copy, but as hard as this book is to find I thought I'd snag a backup copy before it gets yanked.

I wonder why the publisher doesn't just re-publish it? I mean, I feel sorry for all those t-bone players who will never learn their chord tones!
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The download worked great for me. Thanks for the link Pete! I've already got a copy, but as hard as this book is to find I thought I'd snag a backup copy before it gets yanked.

I wonder why the publisher doesn't just re-publish it? I mean, I feel sorry for all those t-bone players who will never learn their chord tones!
I have wondered why they haven't re-published as well. It's such a great book, surely they could make the money back on it?

As to when it gets pulled - well, on Scribd, the same book for Sax (http://www.scribd.com/doc/7008914/Sa...-Chord-Studies) has been up since 2008...
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I personally find the omnibook useless for reading because its full of mistakes with regards to accidentals and layout and a lot of things that really shouldn't be in a professional publication. Four eksample, it wood bee liek reeding an intire book wear everything iz isspelled liek this. Even if the information gets across, it's done very inefficiently, and doesn't have the intended result - getting better at reading.
While the Omnibook is not perfect it does lend itself to better reading of music instead of reading a series of intervals.

The original trombone book would let a horn player work on things like different articulations, embrochure, intonation and endurance, three of those which aren't addressed by the bass version by nature of the differences in the instruments.

Another problem with the trombone/bass version is it lends itself to pattern memorization. I could describe every exercise like "Dominant 13th arpeggio, played in eighth notes ascending and descending approaching each chord member from a half step below." It's the same as using "The Bass Grimoire" as a reading resource. Different pattern algorithm, same results. It's more of a brain exercise.

If you don't like the Omnibook there's also a book of the complete bass and cello parts for all nine Beethoven symphonies that I like to use. Those are very insightful and useful for reading music instead of just notes.

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If you don't like the Omnibook there's also a book of the complete bass and cello parts for all nine Beethoven symphonies that I like to use. Those are very insightful and useful for reading music instead of just notes.
That sounds cool - have you got a link or the name of the author?
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That sounds cool - have you got a link or the name of the author?
http://shop5.mailordercentral.com/le...uctinfo/ZIM01/

I think the author is Ludwig...
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I didn't know a trombone could play chords!




*chews on hayseed, gets back on turnip truck*

Look up Bill Watrous. He can play two notes and sing a third simultaneously. Don't know if he ever used this book, though.
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I'm having trouble downloading this. When I download it as a .txt, all I get is one blank page. When I download it as a pdf file, I only get the first 29 pages. Macbook, Snow Leopard.
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While the Omnibook is not perfect it does lend itself to better reading of music instead of reading a series of intervals.
For reading of music try Rochut's MELODIOUS ETUDES FOR TROMBONE. This a 3 volume book of operatic vocal exercises devised in the late 1800's.

If you want accompaniment instead then google David Schwartz. He's produced a slightly different version with piano accompaniment on CD (which the original opera singers would have sang along to).

If you really wanna go down this route you can also find a book of 'duet' parts written for the first 20 exercises so that a trombone teacher could play along with his student.

All good reading. All music.
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Look up Bill Watrous. He can play two notes and sing a third simultaneously. Don't know if he ever used this book, though.
Actually you can't play 2 notes at a time. It is multiphonics or polyphonics that you are describing where the trombonist plays 1 note and sings another. The 3rd note is the result of a harmonic produced from the simultaneously sung and played notes.
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For reading of music try Rochut's MELODIOUS ETUDES FOR TROMBONE. This a 3 volume book of operatic vocal exercises devised in the late 1800's.

If you want accompaniment instead then google David Schwartz. He's produced a slightly different version with piano accompaniment on CD (which the original opera singers would have sang along to).

If you really wanna go down this route you can also find a book of 'duet' parts written for the first 20 exercises so that a trombone teacher could play along with his student.

All good reading. All music.
The Bordogni Vocalises (Rochut 1,2,3 or Schwartz) are great to play on bass. Trombone is my primary instrument. I was playing these in an orchestra rehearsal and the bass players asked what it was. I told them and let them borrow the book. They've been playing it ever since.

If you really want to go that route, pick up the Arban's book for trombone. Endless material to work on technique without tabs/finger numbers/etc. The only limit with that book is yourself. Between that and the Bordogni/Rochut you would have enough to last you for YEARS of music reading (aside from REAL bass music, that is).

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Old 01-21-2010, 09:03 AM
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Actually you can't play 2 notes at a time. It is multiphonics or polyphonics that you are describing where the trombonist plays 1 note and sings another. The 3rd note is the result of a harmonic produced from the simultaneously sung and played notes.
Thanks for that explanation. Back in my trombone days (high school), we used to marvel at how anyone could do that.

Now I just struggle with playing two notes at a time on the bass. Singing the third just screws up my rhythm.
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