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Old 12-22-2010, 06:05 PM
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k well, i've had this bass for about 2 months and i'm not completely sure how i should start learning. i know a few things like what the notes of the strings are (B-E-A-D-G... i'm learning on a 5 string) and i can read sheet music for bass easily and fast (i've been playing tenor sax for 5 years and found out it's pretty easy to change the keys from tenor sax to bass =) ..) but i don't know the fingerings for each note, so that's pretty useless knowledge for now. and i also have good timing and all that with my previous sax experience... so, how should i start learning? lessons are impossible for me because i can't pay so, yea.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:33 PM
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Try StudyBass.com and ActiveBass.com. These may give you a starting point.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:07 PM
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Try StudyBass.com and ActiveBass.com. These may give you a starting point.
What he says.....+1. Also, there are some good, reasonably priced instruction books to get some of the basics from......some with CDs. Once you get a handle on basics, there are lots of free lessons on YouTube -- from very basic through intermediate and beyond. Just be sure you learn to walk before you try to run. You have prior music training, so your theory knowledge and ability to read standard notation is a big plus for you. And finally, you'll find the folks on this forum very ready to help.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:37 PM
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Here's what you need:
{url=www.studybass.com/lessons/reading-music/bass-clef-fretboard-notes/bass-clef-notes-fretboard.pdf}

It's based on a 4 string but you'll be able to figure out how to add the extra notes from the B string.

Note: paste web address to your search bar to download. You'll need the latest version of Adobe Reader.

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Old 12-23-2010, 12:01 AM
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get a teacher the can make things so much easier
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Old 12-23-2010, 03:10 AM
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The very first thing you should do IMO is to master good L/H and R/H technique. Not only will it help you to get the best out of your playing, but it will help you to avoid possible physical problems at a later stage. Then you can start putting all the other good advice given here to good use. Here are some links to technique.

L/H : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkSsapYYsA


R/H : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVMBPmrblU


Best of luck with it.
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Old 12-23-2010, 04:00 AM
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With out a teacher I'll try and give you an overview of what lies ahead. For example:

Reading standard notation and your 5 string will go hand in hand. Reason? Most standard notation for Pop, Rock or Country songs will not be written for the bass. If you can find standard notation for those styles it will probably have been written for piano and our 4 strings only go to the low E note in first position thus have a problem with the low ledger notes. That B string will come in handy. Perhaps some of the 5 string players will chime in with some suggestions.

For the times you will be playing from fake chord or lead sheet, which have no bass clef, you will only have the chord name and have to come up with what you will play under that chord yourself. So -- you are going to have to build your own bass lines. We use chord tones for this and Interval numbers instead of notes enter the picture. http://www.smithfowler.org/music/Chord_Formulas.htm
  • For example:
  • C Chord = R-3-5
  • Cm chord = R-b3-5
  • Cmaj7 chord = R-3-5-7
  • Cm7 chord = R-b3-5-b7
  • C7 chord = R-3-5-b7
  • Cm7b5 cord = R-b3-b5-b7.
So -- somewhere between just playing roots and R-b3-b5-b7 will lie your bass line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4x0u...eature=related I know - roots for now. Notice how effective roots can be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFcsEtFIKA I thought you might like to see how Sir Paul does it. Yes singing along does help.

Generic bass lines enter the picture. For example:
A bass line that will work over all the chords in the progression will come in handy. Why? Our job is to build a groove and if we can have a generic bass line pattern that works over all the chords it becomes pretty easy to get in a groove. If I have to worry about what I'm going to play next I seem to never hit that groove.....
  • Every chord has a root so roots are generic.
  • Every basic chord has a 5 so 5's are generic.
  • The 8 is generic as it is just a root on another octave.
  • The 6 is neutral so it can be used in a generic bass line.
  • The 4 makes a good passing note, so fits in a generic bass line if you use it as a passing note.
So any combination of those notes will give you a good selection of generic bass lines. Here are a few to start out with:
R-R-R-R or
R-5-R-5 or
R-5-8-5 or
R-5-6-8 you get the picture. Notice there are no 3's, 7's or 2's in my list of generic bass lines. Two is too close to the Root and the 3 and 7 have specific jobs to do; b3 works under minor cords, 3 works under major chords, and the three sevenths, maj7, m7 and dominant seven have specific jobs and only fit under certain chords.
Here is an example of a generic bass line being used through out the entire song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g35zS1tVO3o See how "less is more" can be effective.
Here is your 5 string fretboard chart http://www.5stringbassguitars.com/wp...fret-chart.jpg
So get some of those generic bass lines into muscle memory. Now with out a teacher you will have to figure out things like -- how to hold your bass, how to tune it, how to get good sound coming from it which means you will be deciding if a pick, thumb or fingers will be used and then the biggie, how to mute the beast..... I'd recommend the book Bass Guitar for Dummies, I've just finished re-reading that and was amazed at how much material was covered. I bet your public library will have it, and if not they will be able to "do a lone" from another library. So if you do not find it in the stacks ask at the desk.

Yes www.studybass.com will be a friend.
The box patterns will be a friend. Here is my favorite cheat sheet. http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...eat-sheet.html Sorry it's only for the 4 string, but of course you have those same four strings.
This will give an overview of how to use the patterns. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showth...67#post9372867
Every instrument has it's scales, the bass is no exception. http://www.cyberfretbass.com/scales/basic/page2.php Gotta do our scales so our fingers know where the notes are and our ears know the good notes from the bad ones.

With out a teacher those sites should give you enough to get you started and of course ask questions here, someone will help.

Welcome and good luck.

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Old 12-24-2010, 02:59 AM
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thank you everyone! this all helped a lot and i've learned a ton from everything here sense i've posted this here, and studybass.com seemed to help a LOT... so thankyou peoples!
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Old 12-24-2010, 03:04 AM
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The very first thing you should do IMO is to master good L/H and R/H technique. Not only will it help you to get the best out of your playing, but it will help you to avoid possible physical problems at a later stage. Then you can start putting all the other good advice given here to good use. Here are some links to technique.

L/H : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkSsapYYsA


R/H : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVMBPmrblU


Best of luck with it.
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This is what you should be focusing on. If you develop bad habits now, they'll be very difficult to break later.
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