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Old 01-28-2010, 03:58 AM
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I started playing the bass 5 weeks ago with no prior musical experience so I bought a dvd and have been working through it but it's pretty much just good for a basic foundation it seems so I'm really about done with it.

Here's the thing. If I get my chops up enough by May I'll be able to join a friends band, but that is the deal. I'm not able to get lessons due to lack of funds so please don't suggest this. I know it would be great, but it's not happening.

I have played 6 hours every single day so far and plan on doing it until May which will log me quite a heck of a lot of hours. The huge problem is I now have no idea what to practice and these past few days I've only been practicing for 1-2hrs because I really don't know where to go next.

I have the motivation and determination to play 6 hours or more every single day, so if I could put all of those hours to the best use possible I couldn't imagine the progress I'd make, but without a game plan it's just not going to happen and most of the hours will be wasted.

I would seriously be the happiest guy on the planet if some bass expert here would recommend to me what I should be doing to become the best I can in the shortest amount of time. Now I know playing with others would help, but that's not going to happen either so perhaps I should rephrase the question...

I'm locked in my bedroom until May, what can I do to get the best possible chops in the fastest amount of time possible? I really need help in creating a rock solid, structured game plan. I'm also studying music theory from scratch on the side, so I'm really just talking technique here. The general genre of the band is rock by the way...also please don't suggest that it will only be root notes and therefore I can start in the band tomorrow. Sorry about all of these don't say this and that but I figure those things would be said and I really just want my question answered directly and would appreciate it beyond words.

Thank you guys so much in advance as I really have no one else to turn to.

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Old 01-28-2010, 05:39 AM
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Six hours a day -- you will burn out. Now yes you need some focus to your practicing and remember if you are just running scales for the sake of running scales you get real good at running scales, only problem your solo will sound like scales.

Go get some sheet music on the songs your prospective band plays. Fake chord is all you need if you can not read and play from standard notation. Use that music to focus on what you need to be learning. Your goal is to play with that band - learn that band's music.

Forget about solos a newbie bass band member will not be getting solos. The keyboard or lead guitar will be doing the solo work. Concentrate on playing the chord tones and doing it with feeling, i.e. be able to lay down a groove.

How? Know your fretboard. You gotta find the chord tones. BTW chord tones are the notes of the chord. You can memorize the notes in 20 +/- chords or use patterns. I'd suggest you use patterns. More on that later.

Here is a chord/scale generator that will help you with the notes of the chord.
http://www.looknohands.com/chordhous.../index_rb.html
Ask it to generate a C chord -- then scroll the screen down to find this:
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C Major
a.k.a.: C, CMaj, CM
intervals: 1,3,5
half-steps: 4-3
notes: C,E,G
What you are interested in is the intervals and the notes. If you are going to go the pattern route that 1-3-5 are the chord tones of the C chord and the riff you will play when ever that fake chord sheet music has a C chord shown.

Patterns:
Major scale pattern - Root on the 4th string.
G|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D|---6---|-------|---7---|---R---|
A|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

Major scale pattern - Root on the 3rd string.
G|---6---|-------|---7---|---R---| 1st string
D|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
A|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|
E|-------|---5----|-------|---6---|4th string

Use those patterns to play the C chord riff, i.e. that 1-3-5. 1 is the root and will be called R from now on.
Place the R on the 4th string 8th fret. Why? Well the 4th string 8th fret is a C note. Start your pattern on the C note and then follow the pattern. Every note in the C scale will be waiting. Yep, we use C scale notes to make a C chord. Play R-3-5-3 and you just played a C chord bass riff. Now get those 20 +/- chords you will encounter in rock music into bass riffs that you can do in your sleep. Pay attention to the following; look at the root on the scale pattern - where is the 5th? Up a string and over two frets. The 5th of any note is up a string and over two frets. Where is the 3rd of the root note? Up a string and back one fret. Again the 3rd of any note is up a string and back two frets. Where is the 7th? Same place it always is up two strings and over one fret. Learn where the interval numbers are - that's what we do to play patterns.

Yep get some fake chord sheet music on the songs that band plays and practice playing those songs. Doing that will point you to what else you need to learn.
http://www.chordie.com/chord.pere/ww...al/135314.html

Once you get a song down to where it flows put that piece of sheet music in your gig bag and move on to the next song. Suggest you work on 2 to 3 songs at a time. Shoot for two new songs per week. By May you will be ready for the rhythm section in that band.

If you have not found www.studybass.com already you need to. It will go into detail how to mute strings to kill the sustain. Which fingers to use - thumb, pick, or what. It is a must for newbie bass players.

Should give you this. That fake chord will give you the chord name up to you to come up with the bass riff, i.e. you gotta write your own bass line riffs. Sheet music gives you a C chord:
Root nothing is always safe. Boring but safe.
R-5 works 99% of the time. So a repetitive R-5 riff changing the root as the chords change will work.
R-3-5-3 is a little better and works for any major chord, i.e. C chord.
R-b3-5-b3 is the go to riff for a minor chord, i.e. Cm.
R-3-5-b7 is the go to riff for the C7 chord
R-3-5-7 is the go to riff for the Cmaj7 chord
R-b3-5-b7 is the go to riff for the Cm7 chord.
Fancy chords Fmaj7#11 -- Forget about the #11 it's a Fmaj7 chord and you already know how to make that.
Slash chords Fmaj7/C -- the bass will only play the slash or C don't worry about why just be glad you just have to grab the slash part.
Two chords per measure, i.e. in 4/4 time you have 4 beats per measure so a R-5 for both of them is all the space you have. Lets say it's Cmaj7 and Am7 in the same measure. OK R-5 for both or C-G and A-E will fill the measure nicely.


Get those into muscle memory - yes those 20 chords you will see in rock music.

Here is a play-a-long to get you started. Use a repetitive R nothing till that gets comfortable then try a R-5. When that is easy try R-3-5-3. Of course change the root to the chord that is being played in the music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUK5p...eature=related

Good luck.

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Old 01-28-2010, 06:39 AM
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+1 to all Malcolm's advice. I'm sure others will chime in with more exercises etc, but I'd like to add three more general (but no less important)things :

1. If you are going to be practicing for six hours a day every day, make sure your R/H and L/H techniques are up to scratch. Also make sure to warm up before a practice session and warm down after.

2. Dont forget your timing/groove. Use a metronome when you practice. All Malcom's advice above, is not worth much if your timing is out.


3. Take your time and be patient with yourself. You mention "the shortest possible time" more than once.
S-L-O-W down !! What is the hurry ??? Practice something for as long as it takes to perfect it. In order to build up speed, practice slowly and build it up gradually.

Above all, make sure it's fun !!

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Old 01-28-2010, 07:20 AM
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Get a drum machine and play along.

Along with scales this will serve you best for actually playing in a band.
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:23 AM
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:51 AM
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I started playing the bass 5 weeks ago with no prior musical experience so I bought a dvd and have been working through it but it's pretty much just good for a basic foundation it seems so I'm really about done with it.

Here's the thing. If I get my chops up enough by May I'll be able to join a friends band, but that is the deal. I'm not able to get lessons due to lack of funds so please don't suggest this. I know it would be great, but it's not happening.

I have played 6 hours every single day so far and plan on doing it until May which will log me quite a heck of a lot of hours. The huge problem is I now have no idea what to practice and these past few days I've only been practicing for 1-2hrs because I really don't know where to go next.

I have the motivation and determination to play 6 hours or more every single day, so if I could put all of those hours to the best use possible I couldn't imagine the progress I'd make, but without a game plan it's just not going to happen and most of the hours will be wasted.

I would seriously be the happiest guy on the planet if some bass expert here would recommend to me what I should be doing to become the best I can in the shortest amount of time. Now I know playing with others would help, but that's not going to happen either so perhaps I should rephrase the question...

I'm locked in my bedroom until May, what can I do to get the best possible chops in the fastest amount of time possible? I really need help in creating a rock solid, structured game plan. I'm also studying music theory from scratch on the side, so I'm really just talking technique here. The general genre of the band is rock by the way...also please don't suggest that it will only be root notes and therefore I can start in the band tomorrow. Sorry about all of these don't say this and that but I figure those things would be said and I really just want my question answered directly and would appreciate it beyond words.

Thank you guys so much in advance as I really have no one else to turn to.
My daily "workout routine":
1. Work your fingers up and down the finger board, learn it, live it. Try to hear the note before it is plucked. Practice on connecting the notes to each other so it sounds fluid and smooth. Try to mute the previous note with your finger to give the cleanest possible sound. It may not sound perfect at first but the idea is to make every note connect to each other so it sounds like one long chromatic scale. Then I move onto specific scales...
2. Choose a scale, lets say the 'A' scale. This means that I will go through the finger board and make sure I know every note within the scale, upwards, downwards, left, and right (the entire finger board!) once I feel comfortable I turn on the computer recorder and jam by myself (with a metronome) for about twenty minutes within that scale/ chord. After that I take a break. I then come back and take a listen to what it is I was doing. Fresh ears are so important and will make you immensely better, much faster. Have a pragmatic approach to your playing.
3. Time for the funk! I usually turn on Rocco, Bootsy Collins, etc. and just watch them play, check out youtube for these videos. Watch their fingers move over the board and watch where they are plucking the strings, it makes an enormous difference. Really take the time to listen, listening is the most important aspect in music, right behind timing.
4. I then move onto rock music, and usually just end up jamming along with CSNY or Jeff Beck.
5. After that I take a long break and unwind.

Good luck and let us know what happens...
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Old 01-28-2010, 07:53 AM
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You have a time to aim for (May) so focus on what is required to get you in shape when that time comes. So what is the bands main style and what do they expect from a bass player?

Get that part right and constructive advice can be given.
So what is the bands music style and what do they expect from a bass player?
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:02 AM
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Learn to read music and do this every day. If you are going to do only one thing this should be it as all other bases will be covered. Learn to write music out. Become literate.

It always amazes me that people who ask for guidance give a list of what they will not do. First on this list is to not reccommend taking lessons.

My routine
1. Some sort of chord tone exercise, that I wrote out the night before, may include scale work if it is chord specific.
2. Read through a new piece, review other reading pieces.
3. Learn Jazz heads then walking lines through the changes, then solo using strict principles (not a free type solo that I would do live but a study thing)
4. band work

These are split evenly, If I have an hour or 5 hours.

Forget tabs... forget tabs.... and if it has tabs it's not teaching you to read.
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Learn to read.
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Get a drum machine and play along.

Along with scales this will serve you best for actually playing in a band.
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Find a good teacher, only then will you truely figure out what to practice.
This should have been the 1st response.
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This should have been the 1st response.
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I'm not able to get lessons due to lack of funds so please don't suggest this. I know it would be great, but it's not happening.
Huh?
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Find a good teacher, only then will you truely figure out what to practice.

is a good response usually, but he asked what can he do without getting a teacher due to money restraints, not because he doesn't want a teacher.

all advice here is good though, learn to read, learn scales, and learn the style of music the band wants you to play in that set time period, after that time period and your in that/a band learn everything else
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:41 AM
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Do you know what songs you are supposed to play in the band?

Do your best to get a complete list and recordings of those songs and practice those.
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Put out an ad, dedicated beginning student who really can't afford lessons due to financial problems looking for a qualified teacher to offer free tuition. I'm willing to do all the work assigned dilligently and without question.

With all the poor quality students out there you might get a taker, just for actually doing the work.
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1. learn the notes on the fretboard

2. learn which ones go together (scales & modes - actually quite simple, not as mysterious and difficult as people make it out to be)

3. practice with a metronome

4. improve your ear by playing with the radio or favorite CDs, preferably in the genre you desire to play, but explore other styles while you're at it.

5. try to find some competent musicians to play with before then(1 guitar playing relative or friend will do), kinda along the lines of a previous post about finding a free tutor.

There's nothing like actually playing with other humans.
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