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Old 02-24-2009, 11:11 AM
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Alot of the mojo about blues is that quite often (but not always ) you've got a minor melody over a major harmony, so in soloing you can get away with playing just the minor blues scale over a blues progression. Guitarists do it all the time.

The key point is that when you're playing bass you're usually not playing over the progression - you are the progression! so as many others have said, outlining the chords is the best place to be.

If you're interested in playing "proper" standard bass, then that's as much as you need to start you off and you can look at scales again after you've got the chord thing down.

If what you're interested in is soloing with a scale bsed approach, then this is how I'd approach it;

You can make a single combined blues scale by combining the minor blues scale (so in E that's E, G, A Bb, B, D E) with the major pentatonic (E, F#, G#, B, C#, E). that get's you the following;

E - Root note
F# - Major Second
G - Minor Third
G# - Major Third
A - Perfect 4th
Bb - b5th ("blue note")
B - 5th
C# - Major 6th
D - Minor 7th

Which you can also think of as the dorian mode with an added major third and b5, or the mixolydian mode with an added minor third and b5

The advantage of thinking in terms of combining the major pentonic and the minor blues (or dorian and mixolydian if you want to get fancy) is that you can switch between and/or combine the major/minor tonality at will.

The big caveat with any scale based approach is that you still need an awaness of the chords, so that you pick notes from the scale that go with the chords you're playing over at any one moment.

As usual YMMV, etc etc. there are many ways of thinking about this sort of stuff and I'm just offering my perspective on what's worked for me in the past. A very important point to remember about blues is that it came into being outside of the remit of standard diatonic western music theory, so trying to explain it interms of western music theory - while possible - is somewhat against the grain. I'm fairly confident Robert Johnson didn't know what a mixolydian scale was, but I think we can agree he could play the blues.

p.s. there's another note that you won't find at any of your frets, or in any of the scales mentioned above. You have to bend the minor third up a bit to find it (it's between the major third and the minor third).
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Yep I know these things, but say just playing around with the first note E, the pentatonic doesn't seem to work with this bass line even though it's blues, so are you both saying there isn't a scale exactly, you would just need to either work out or feel the notes to play?
The E "blues scale" which is a pentatonic minor with a b5 added to it, is a framework for soloing over the blues changes. But for a functional bass line that outlines the harmony, you gotta get away from that scale. That's because the main part of the scale that makes it sound "blues" is the minor third being played against the major third of the chord. If the chord is E7, then the chord is E, G#, B, D. And when the soloist plays the G natural of the scale against that G# in the chord, it creates the tension and the sound that's characteristic of the blues.

But as a bassist your job is to outline the harmony, so you're going to want to put that G# in there more than the G. For blues stuff ignore scales (and even worse are modes) and be able to know exactly what's in each chord through the changes. That's a more vialbe framework than scales.

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Here's some links that may help out:
http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdiction...ogression.html Blues Progressions explained with samples
http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Bass-Jon.../dp/0793586682 "Blues Bass" book/cd by TB member Jonster (John Liebman)
Looking for some Blues books Blues books
Slow Blues bassline help needed! Slow blues
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