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Old 10-20-2011, 03:32 PM
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Chords vs. Arpeggios

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Hi, I have a few questions about chords vs. arpeggios:

This is what I know about each:

1. Chords involve multiple notes being played at the same time.
2. Arpeggios use chord tones and are played one note at a time.
3. Chords do not have a specific order.
4. Arpeggios are played lowest-to-highest or the other way around.

Does this mean that:

1. Most of the time, when people refer to chords for bass, the bass player is actually playing arpeggios?
2. Is it called "highlighting" a chord specifically because chord tones are involved but not played smultaneously?
3. Is it still an arpeggio if notes are repeated? Like is 1-1-3-3-5-5 still an arpeggio, or does doubling the notes make it a chord?

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Old 10-20-2011, 09:32 PM
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1. Chords involve multiple notes being played at the same time
Yes, like when you play multiple notes on a piano or guitar at once, or even, on a bass. Guys do it.

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2. Arpeggios use chord tones and are played one note at a time.
Yes, but that is a pretty generic term, but yes, it means played one at a time, but it can be in any order.

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3. Chords do not have a specific order.
Welllll, they don't have an order that you have to play the notes in, but you can make one kind of chord such as say, C Major, a LOT of different ways, called voicings. You can arrange the notes in different ways from lowest to highest, and still play them all at once, but they can have different notes in different places in the chord.

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4. Arpeggios are played lowest-to-highest or the other way around.
Not always, Arpeggio is a somewhat generic term, and while some ways of organizing the notes have names (root position, first inversion etc, just like chords) at least in rock/jazz/funk it means "playing the notes of the chord one at a time in any order".

For any 4 note chord there are 24 different ways you can play the notes of that chord, and each one could be it's own arpeggio, but not all 24 have names, they are just the notes played in different orders is all. But since they are just chord notes, they are arpeggios if you play them all.

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1. Most of the time, when people refer to chords for bass, the bass player is actually playing arpeggios?
Usually yes, the piano/guitar player will play the chords and we will play the root, or other specific chord tones of whatever chord they are playing, we just play them one at a time usually in some kind of rhythm, until the next chord comes up, and then we do the same for that chord. We can play more than one note at once (Walk on the wild side) but usually we don't.

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2. Is it called "highlighting" a chord specifically because chord tones are involved but not played smultaneously?
Don't know about this one, but usually if we hit a specific note on a chord, like say, if it is a minor chord and we are hitting the b3 and the b7 we are using those note choices to highlight that the chord has a flatted 3rd and a flatted 7th. We support the chord by picking which notes we play, and if there are special notes in a chord like a flatted 5th, if we play those it really makes it clear that this chord has that note in it instead of a regular fifth so we are highlighting that note by landing on it. Over and over and over sometimes.

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3. Is it still an arpeggio if notes are repeated? Like is 1-1-3-3-5-5 still an arpeggio, or does doubling the notes make it a chord?
Hmm, no, its still an arpeggio, unless you are playing them all at once, even if you come up with some crazy order of notes but you are just using the chord tones and playing them one at a time, in my book anyway, its an arpeggio.

I wrote out all the possible patterns for chord tones in the books at the links below and they have all the different ways to play the major, minor, or dominant chords. Those books have all the arpeggios there are, it just works out that if you have 4 notes (C E G Bb say for C Dominant), there are 24 different ways to arrange those notes.

You can play around with the different combinations of any four notes here too:

http://bassoridiculoso.net16.net/

If you put in the notes of a E major chord (E G# B D#) it will make all 24 combinations of those notes for you.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:20 AM
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Yes to what has been said.

I'll add this. Chord tones. C Major Chord has these notes C, E, G and Cmaj7 has these notes C, E, G, B. Those are the chord tones. Now.......

How you play those chord tones is left up to you and the songwriter. You may only use the root C or you use the Root C and the 5th (G). Or like has been mentioned you can mix them up - duplicate some, etc. When we do that I think of it as playing the chord tones.

And then in walks scale tones R-2-3-5-6 just happens to be the major pentatonic scale tones. With out the 2, it's the chord tones for the C6 chord.

So calling (naming) what we do gets a little involved.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:37 AM
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I'll take exception to one thing that's been said: The term arpeggio comes from the Italian for harp, so think of a harpist sweeping a finger over the strings. The chord can be in any inversion, but you always hear the notes lowest-to-highest or highest-to-lowest. That's a true arpeggio.

If you play the notes of a chord in any other order, that is technically called a broken chord, not an arpeggio.
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Old 10-21-2011, 03:07 PM
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Thanks, everyone. I think tstone is right about the broken chord. I've been reading more and it does seem that for the "chord" to be an arpeggio, it has to be in order, from top-to-bottom or the other way around. It also seems that when chord tones are not played at the same time and are not in order, they're broken chords.

So, basically most of the time when I thought I was playing chords, but it didn't make sense to me (because the notes aren't played together) I was playing broken chords. I don't know why none of my bass books say this. It would have made things much clearer. I was having a hard time reconciling in my head that chords meant one thing on bass and something completely different to the rest of the music world.

Even though they use a guitar in the examples, the link I found that really drove it home for me is here:

Broken Chords and Arpeggios | Easy Ear Training Online
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Old 10-21-2011, 03:24 PM
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Great information here! I could not have said it better than Intenzity, for the most part.

However I do see there is a bit of confusion on Arps vs broken chords, and I think tstone got it correct. An arpeggio is a type of broken chord that is played in sequence. There are other types of broken chords, which are played out of sequence, or notes are played simultaneous but less than a full chord.
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