Classical Thump Line

[QED314]

Sorry to post this in the "Basses" forum, but I'm having some trouble finding an audience for this question.

I'm trying to learn the repeating line at about 2 minutes 47 seconds on Wooten's "Classical Thump". In one measure of 3/4there is a single group of 16 sixteenths notes. I'm an average reader, but can't seem to understand how this line fits in a bar of 3/4. How would you count this out?

Any help would be appreciated. I'm attaching a pic of the line below. Any ideas?

[TehRoflCopter]

I could be completely off on this....but it looks to me from that picture that because of the little 16 under the thing, it's a triplet type deal except with 16 instead of 3, like

......instead of.......
.16 ............ 3
| | | ......... | | |
ooo .......... ooo

Where |
.........o
is my pathetic attempt at drawing a note

If that makes any sense at all......like a quad feel in a 3/4 meter?

Just my stab at this, I'm curious to see what more knowledgeable people have to say

[lemur821]

Yeah, the 16 makes all the difference. They're sixteenthlets.

[QED314]

So how would you count these out then?

If I count them out straight it would just be "one-e-and-uh-two-e-and-uh-three-e-and-uh-four-e-and-uh"

If I count them in the way you're saying, how would one say it, or write it out? Thanks for the help! If I can get this down I'll post a sound file. As of now I'm down the with fingerings etc, I just can't get the groove.

THANKS!

QED314

[MonetBass]

You wouldn't count them out like standard 16ths. Like lemur821 said, they're 16thlets (like triplets only there's 16 grouped instead of 3). So essentially (and annoyingly) you have 5 1/3 notes per beat in 3/4 time, which means the 1st C# above the staff falls in between beats 1 and 2, and the 3rd E (preceding the A) falls in between beats 2 and 3. Good luck.

[lemur821]

Well, you just need to play sixteen notes in the place of twelve. If you're having trouble seeing how that fits together then why not make a chart? If you graph out 4:3 then you can translate it into notes and learn the pattern of intersections. 3:2 turns out to be something like quarter, eighth, eighth, quarter. 4:3 is more complicated, but the idea is the same. When playing triplets it's not usually necessary, but you could imagine that extra note to keep yourself on rhythm.

EDIT: You could also use a program like Audacity to generate two click tracks, one at 1.5 Hz and one at 2 Hz. Pan one left and one right then learn to drum along with it using your fingers. Once you know that you'll be able to line up the beats you play with the imaginary beats you don't play. You'll also be able to wow your friends with your ability to play a perfect 4:3.

[AmazingGracePlayer]

Are you sure it's in 3/4? I always thought that part was in 4/4, I'm sure it's the part that goes like

thump-hammer-plucki-pluckm-thump-hammer-pluck-tap-thump-pluck-thump-tap-thump-pluck...

Anyway, isn't that right after the mellow part?

[MonetBass]

Here's a way my percussionist friends taught me to play different rhythms together:
4:3 "Pass the stink-in' but-ter" -- both hands tap on 'pass' and alternate syllables thereafter
3:2 "Not diff-i-cult" -- both hands tap on 'not' and alternate syllables thereafter

[QED314]

Bump!

[Ryan L.]

moved.