Complex rhythm!!!!

[adisu]

Hi guys.
I wan't to learn some new complexed rhythms.
I think the best way is to hear it played on song and understnd it.
I already know to Identify and play 3/4 5/4 6/8 and 7/8.
Now if you have any song names that played in other time signature like 10/8 11/8 12/8 or any other time signature please help me and let me know the names of those songs and their time signature so I can learn those time signatures.

Thanks in advance.
Adi.

[2 Fingers McGee]

How about "37/64" by Rush?

[AGCurry]

12/8 is not a complex rhythm, it's just an alternate form of 6/8.

5/4 and 7/8 are about as complex as you will ever need to know. Any more beats to the measure will work out as combinations of "simpler" measures.

People who make a conscious attempt to compose in complex time signatures often seem as though they're trying to impress with their ability to do so. I say, "Let it be around a good melody, and I'll listen. Otherwise, *yawn*."

[cowsgomoo]

try some Zappa... although he often doesn't stick to one meter all the way through a song, they frequently have passages of irregular meters

a few of my faves:

Zomby Woof
Echidna's Arf
Inca Roads
Punky's Whips
RDNZL
Outside Now
Watermelon In Easter Hay
I'm A Beautiful Guy
Wet T-Shirt Nite
Drowning Witch
Alien Orifice
Big Swifty

[Bassist4Life]

Time signatures are not complex rhythms. Complex rhythms can be contained in any time signature. Some of the most complex rhythms I've ever tackled were in 4/4.

What experience do you have in reading notation? This might give us a better idea on how to help you get deeper into rhythmic reading.

Joe

[dhadleyray]

Get the Louis Bellson book dealing with odd time signatures and shed that for awhile. That'll keep you busy...

[BassChuck]

Originally Posted by AGCurry

12/8 is not a complex rhythm, it's just an alternate form of 6/8.

5/4 and 7/8 are about as complex as you will ever need to know. Any more beats to the measure will work out as combinations of "simpler" measures.

People who make a conscious attempt to compose in complex time signatures often seem as though they're trying to impress with their ability to do so. I say, "Let it be around a good melody, and I'll listen. Otherwise, *yawn*."

Amen to this. There are too many examples of compostitions that are the same as guitar store wanking. The mark of true genius is the simple expresson of complex ideas.

That said, you might check out the folk music of eastern Europe or the middle east. Lots of stuff there in 9 or 13 beat groupings. Also, the big band music of Don Ellis is known for use of odd time signatures, notably "Bulgarian Bulge" by Milcho Levis uses a 33 beat cycle. For some graceful applications of odd time sigs, check out the musical "Man of LaMancha" there are a lot of odd meters and meter changes in that show, "Classical Gas" my Mason Williams (a hit in 1969) was in 10/4 time.

[Bassist4Life]

Check out this website for some rhythm exercises:
http://www.instituteofbass.com/bass_...hythm_studies/

Joe

[XTC]

Originally Posted by AGCurry

12/8 is not a complex rhythm, it's just an alternate form of 6/8.

Isn't 12/8 an alternate form of 4/4 (triplets instead of straight 8 notes?
But you're probably right:P Just my experience that 12/8 more often is a form of 4/4.

[labgnat]

Originally Posted by AGCurry

12/8 is not a complex rhythm"

You're not a complex rhythm

[Libertad]

How about some Flamenco rythems. With the crazy clapping and guitar fingering. Should make for some complex rythems.

[FrigginChris]

Originally Posted by labgnat

You're not a complex rhythm

Yo momma is a complex rythm!

[AGCurry]

Originally Posted by XTC

Isn't 12/8 an alternate form of 4/4 (triplets instead of straight 8 notes?
But you're probably right:P Just my experience that 12/8 more often is a form of 4/4.

Well, yes, in the same sense that 6/8 can be a form of 2/2 with tripleted (?) quarter notes. But you choose a time signature for the ease with which the music an be written. Who wants to have to write a bunch of triplets?

[labgnat]

Originally Posted by FrigginChris

Yo momma is a complex rythm!

Napoleon dynamite voice HECK YES SHE IS

[bassfacekevin]

Check out some mastodon, leviathan is an excellent album with polyrhythms, and odd time, along with just cool riffs and interesting melody. Also, you can try making aleatoric music; try recording traffic, in 2/5/10 whatever second clips and then turn whatever "rhythms" happen into music. It sounds odd, but that's one of the ways I've practiced getting comfortable with any rhythm that comes my way (though I've still a way to go)

~K

[adisu]

Thanks for all the answers guys I'll look out for those songs you mentioned.

Originally Posted by Bassist4Life

Time signatures are not complex rhythms. Complex rhythms can be contained in any time signature. Some of the most complex rhythms I've ever tackled were in 4/4.

What experience do you have in reading notation? This might give us a better idea on how to help you get deeper into rhythmic reading.

Joe

Joe I'm really in my first steps of reading notation thats why I asked for people to name the sobgs for me so i can listen and have the impression how those time signature sound like.
Nice article and training BTW.

Adi

[QuintrKD]

You may want to check out Pegasus if you are into Jazz. I can't recall the meter... I actually played it on bass trombone.

[tkozal]

I had a tune that was labeled 12/8, but was played 4+3+3+2, Quite common in things like Prog rock.

9/8? Genesis has a tune, "Apocalypse in 9/8" (part of "Supper's Ready"), thats 4+3+2, and was great training for me as a youngin to master odd times...

[sedgdog]

There is a very good book out called "Odd Meter Bassics" by Dino Monoxelos. Check it out - I think it is what you are looking for.

All the best,
Tim

[radmin]

The Flecktones have a song called New Math on the Little Worlds CD where everyone in the band plays in a different time signature.

Its one of those deals where it sounds interesting when your talking about it but the finished product is just too wierd.