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Old 09-13-2005, 06:46 AM
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What I've heard is that people with perfect pitch usually don't enjoy music as much as other people because they can tell (and have to endure) when instruments and singers are not 100% in tune, which is most of the time.

Can you shed some light into that?
I have perfect pitch and also have good relative pitch skills. In fact, one of the subjects I teach at the university is ear training and I always emphasize on the importance of developing good relative pitch skills. Many of my students ask me about that absolute pitch ability and I always tell them: It's a cool asset, sometimes you feel like an X-man or something like that, but it's almost useless musically speaking. OK, maybe you can figure out certain things faster than others, but what really counts is to learn to think of intervals, as Mr. Boplicity said. When I know I have a student (or more than one) with perfect pitch, I always play dictations with lots of enharmonical traps to them and I've seen more than one student very frustrated because one note from a dictation wasn't a D, as he/she was thinking, but a C double sharp, and everything is badly written after that note. They also ask me how to learn that. IMO, it can't be taught, but as a teacher I can help you develop that ability if you already have it. Don't know if you have absolute pitch? My test for that is: If you can sing a song in the same key as recorded on a CD or tape by sheer memory, you can tell you have perfect pitch, so it's a matter of developing it. I tell them: Have you seen in the entertainment news that when a popular singer is interviewed and one of these stupid blondes who conduct the show ask them: "Sing a part of your recent hit a capella for us", they never sing it in the key it was recorded? (I haven't seen the first who can do it, at least) They may be great singers, but they don't have absolute pitch and never will (nothing wrong with it, of course).

Anyway, I think it's false that people with perfect pitch don't enjoy music as much. I enjoy it as much as I can and performance faults don't annoy me more than to someone with good relative pitch skills. What seems complicated to me is playing a transpositional instrument (well, bass is, but to an octave, so notes are spelled the same as the real ones) having absolute pitch. Fortunately I don't play alto sax. It looks very tough to read and F# in a sheet music and hearing an A at the same time. I was afraid of that when I started practicing the solo pieces for my double bass diploma concert: DB solo pieces are written in scordatura, which means that you should tune the bass a major second higher for making it sound brighter. So if a piece is in G major, it is written in G major for the DB, but it sounds in A major. The accompaniment piano part is written in A major. Fortunately, when my diploma concert took place the university hadn't bought an acoustic piano for the auditorium and there was a Yamaha Clavinova there instead. My master agreed that it wasn't a good idea to tune the DB one second higher having orchestral tuning strings installed, so it was just a matter of hitting the transposition key in the Clavinova. There's a guy now who is practicing his DB diploma concert and don't have solo tuning strings in his bass (and nobody has them here, plus they're very hard to find and expensive), but now there's an acoustic piano in the auditorium, so he's transcribing all the piano parts one major second lower. That's such a task. Again, I feel I was very fortunate. I think it would take me double the time to learn those pieces played in scordatura.

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Old 09-13-2005, 08:34 AM
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David Bowie's bassist (why can't I think of her name?) doesn't know the notes on the neck past the 7th fret.
Thats where the money is anyway, 7th fret down.
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Old 09-13-2005, 08:58 AM
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Functional Ear Trainer is a neat piece of freeware that is simple to use, and does a great job of helping to develop that "relative pitch" everyone is talking about. You can find it at http://www.miles.be.
Give it a try - you'll probably be surprised to find out how much you already know. Half the trick with this stuff is not psyching yourself out before you get started.
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My advice to anyone beginning with picking tunes out by ear would be to choose a song with an isolated bass line. Take the old timey classic "Stand by me" for example. I'm pretty sure that most people are able to sing this bass line out of the blue, be they bassist or not. This song, while probably a wee bit tricky at this stage, will enable you to really focus on the notes since you already know the rhythm.
Just make sure you're in tune and remember that picking out the correct notes does not meen you'll be able to play it straight away. Go slow, pause your music player of choice after each note, sing it, find it on the fingerboard and check it against the recording.

Oh, and once again, make sure you're in tune before starting to play. Makes the job a whole lot easier
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Old 09-13-2005, 09:33 PM
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yup

i was going to suggest to make sure you're tuned to the song properly first, but what is actually the best way since there are so many tuning variations?
i thought finding the lowest note first would be useful, but then how to distinguish the pitch of the remaining open strings?
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Old 09-13-2005, 10:52 PM
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Like most everybody is saying, put in the hours; it WILL pay off.

I'm 55 now and when I was starting out, my bandmates picked ME to 'find out the chords'. This was because I had some accordian lessons and nobody else did (whatever that meant). In 1963 there were no CD's, cassette players, and I couldn't afford to buy those expensive $.99 45's.

SO... I had to listen to the AM radio station for the latest Beatle, Stones, etc. song, and try to grab any part of a chord. And if I didn't get the chords I had to WAIT until they played the song again. And again AND again.

I developed a very good ear and can 'hear' chords fairly easily

Am I gifted? Not in the least. I just practiced and listened and became good at it.

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I know what you mean, i'm just starting with this stuff.

What you need to do is start with REALLY simple music. Just power chords and root notes, the less note changes the better. Now just listen to a section over and over (or even the first chord) and simply just play where you THINK it will be on the fretboard. If it's too high or low, just keep going up or down until you hit the right note. Once you do it a few times your ear learns what, say a G, sounds like. And the next time you hear one, you can go 'oh, that sounds like that first chord from this song' or 'oh that sounds like a G'.

Get me? Just start really, really, REALLY simple. Go up the fretboard from open string to the 12th fret if need be just to hit the right note.

Aural training helps recognise intervals etc which helps after you recognise the root note.
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David Bowie's bassist (why can't I think of her name?) doesn't know the notes on the neck past the 7th fret.
Gail Ann Dorsey. There's an interesting fun fact, huh?
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that's actually kinda funny since they are so easy to figure out lol
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that's actually kinda funny since they are so easy to figure out lol
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