An easy (I say easy...) way to learn the modes on the bass

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[Charles Obscure]

Interesting system. I'm a beginning bass player, so I'm trying to soak up as much info as I can. Regarding your question about free bass scale reference info on the 'net, I've found this site to be quite useful:
chord-scale-note-printer
Thanks for sharing your learning method!

[skb5string]

Originally Posted by Charles Obscure

Interesting system. I'm a beginning bass player, so I'm trying to soak up as much info as I can. Regarding your question about free bass scale reference info on the 'net, I've found this site to be quite useful:
chord-scale-note-printer
Thanks for sharing your learning method!

Wow, that site is awsome with the printing ability. this will make great teaching ref's. Man to think I used to write this stuff out by hand for my students...thanks!

Thanks for that ! It is a great site.

Very useful resource! And FREE!

[Jeepwaco]

Originally Posted by Charles Obscure

Interesting system. I'm a beginning bass player, so I'm trying to soak up as much info as I can. Regarding your question about free bass scale reference info on the 'net, I've found this site to be quite useful:
chord-scale-note-printer
Thanks for sharing your learning method!

This is nice, thanks for posting it!!

[mingustoo]

.....uh...what did he say? Its taken me nine years to learn (mostly) the notes in first position.

[JeffSki]

sounds similar to a method that my guitarist uses. Although he uses do, ra, mi, fa, so, la, ti.

[thumblypeg]

Originally Posted by Charles Obscure

Interesting system. I'm a beginning bass player, so I'm trying to soak up as much info as I can. Regarding your question about free bass scale reference info on the 'net, I've found this site to be quite useful:
chord-scale-note-printer
Thanks for sharing your learning method!

sweet! Thanks

[Marcus Johnson]

Charles, that's great! Thanks for the link.

[mutedeity]

I found a mistake in that scale printer and sent them this comment.

"I would like to point out that I have noticed a mistake in your scale tone printer regarding one of the scales.

The scale is refered to as "Locrian #2". The scale Locrian #2 would have the degrees {1,#2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7}. The second degree of this scale would be enharmonic to a minor third. In the scale on your page you represent it as having a natural or major second.

The scale with the degrees {1,2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7} would be called "Locrian Major 2nd" since when we use a particular scale or mode as a comparison we still name the changed degree relative to its major scale counterpart."

I don't know if there are other mistakes on there but I would cross reference anything you read anywhere online before you take it as a given.

[Edit] I find that thing pretty useless actually. As far as I can tell I can't enter the degrees of a scale and have it make up a chart for that scale. The only thing it will print in terms of scales are the limited number of predetermined scales, of which I have already found one mistake. Correct me if I am wrong.

[thumblypeg]

Originally Posted by mutedeity

I found a mistake in that scale printer and sent them this comment.

"I would like to point out that I have noticed a mistake in your scale tone printer regarding one of the scales.

The scale is refered to as "Locrian #2". The scale Locrian #2 would have the degrees {1,#2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7}. The second degree of this scale would be enharmonic to a minor third. In the scale on your page you represent it as having a natural or major second.

The scale with the degrees {1,2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7} would be called "Locrian Major 2nd" since when we use a particular scale or mode as a comparison we still name the changed degree relative to its major scale counterpart."

I don't know if there are other mistakes on there but I would cross reference anything you read anywhere online before you take it as a given.

[Edit] I find that thing pretty useless actually. As far as I can tell I can't enter the degrees of a scale and have it make up a chart for that scale. The only thing it will print in terms of scales are the limited number of predetermined scales, of which I have already found one mistake. Correct me if I am wrong.

Well that sucks. Perhaps he can fix it based on your suggestions. Looks like a great idea.

[mutedeity]

It also occured to me that Locrian #2 is an impossible name for a scale since it has a #2 and a b3 which are enharmonic. So one or the other of those degrees is redundant.

[Andrew_Pouska]

Dear TalkBass users:

I was alerted to this post and wanted to clear this up.

Rest assured the printer does not contain a mistake. Locrian #2 is a common name (esp. in jazz) for the 6th mode of the melodic minor scale. I didn't actually name the scales, I just made them easy to print out.

I agree Locrian #2 is a theoretically illogical name. Someone must have viewed it as a Locrian scale with a raised 2nd and decided it was a "#2" when in fact it is a natural 2. The diagram generated by the program shows the correct notes and note locations while maintaining the, albeit poor, name Locrian #2.

You can search and find a number of sources citing this scale's name. For example:
http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/p...#LocrianSharp2

Thanks for using my site. I have a lot planned for it in 2008.

Good luck with your musical pursuits,

Andrew Pouska
www.studybass.com

[Snerek]

personally i find this site to be more helpful than the one on studybass..

http://www.rozengain.com/guitar-scal...itarScales.php

check it out

[DocBop]

Originally Posted by mutedeity

It also occured to me that Locrian #2 is an impossible name for a scale since it has a #2 and a b3 which are enharmonic. So one or the other of those degrees is redundant.

The original scale has a flat second, so bringing it up to a natural is sharpening it, hence sharp two. The name threw me at first but in music school that is how they explained it and that make sense. The name implies the change to the original scale. Saying Locrian Natural 9 would be quite a mouthful.

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by DocBop

The original scale has a flat second, so bringing it up to a natural is sharpening it, hence sharp two. The name threw me at first but in music school that is how they explained it and that make sense. The name implies the change to the original scale. Saying Locrian Natural 9 would be quite a mouthful.

I think that way of thinking is ridiculous and I refuse to use or teach it. Another example of the idiosyncratic inconsitencies of musical nomenclature. I have seen it called simply locrian 2 many times as well. I don't think it makes any sense to call the altered degree a #2 because you are comparing it to locrian when every other degree is compared to the major scale.

Look: Locrian #2 has the degrees {1,2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7}?...Where is the #2?

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pouska

Dear TalkBass users:

I was alerted to this post and wanted to clear this up.

Rest assured the printer does not contain a mistake. Locrian #2 is a common name (esp. in jazz) for the 6th mode of the melodic minor scale. I didn't actually name the scales, I just made them easy to print out.

I agree Locrian #2 is a theoretically illogical name. Someone must have viewed it as a Locrian scale with a raised 2nd and decided it was a "#2" when in fact it is a natural 2. The diagram generated by the program shows the correct notes and note locations while maintaining the, albeit poor, name Locrian #2.

You can search and find a number of sources citing this scale's name. For example:
http://www.outsideshore.com/primer/p...#LocrianSharp2

Thanks for using my site. I have a lot planned for it in 2008.

Good luck with your musical pursuits,

Andrew Pouska
www.studybass.com

Andrew,

My appolgies for questioning the accuracy of your scales and I concede that this is indeed a common way to name that particular scale. I was of the impression that scale was named primarily as locrian 2 as I have always seen it called that myself.
I stick by saying that it is a misleading and illogical name for the scale though. I would never teach my students to name that scale as such or refer to it as Locrian #2 myself, since it only confuses the functionality of the degrees as I have pointed out in my previous post.

Sorry that I also missed your reply the first time.

[Audiophage]

Originally Posted by mutedeity

I think that way of thinking is ridiculous and I refuse to use or teach it. Another example of the idiosyncratic inconsitencies of musical nomenclature. I have seen it called simply locrian 2 many times as well. I don't think it makes any sense to call the altered degree a #2 because you are comparing it to locrian when every other degree is compared to the major scale.

Look: Locrian #2 has the degrees {1,2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7}?...Where is the #2?

Because they're naming it relative to locrian, a natural 2 is # from a b2. Those names aren't standardised though. They could call it Aeolian b5 for all I care.

[mutedeity]

Originally Posted by Audiophage

Because they're naming it relative to locrian, a natural 2 is # from a b2. Those names aren't standardised though. They could call it Aeolian b5 for all I care.

I know what they are naming it relative to. I am saying it is illogical. You don't write the degrees of that scale as {1,#2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7} as I said that scale is impossible, or at least there is a redundancy in even tempering, since it's second and third degrees are enharmonic. The scale is written as {1,2,b3,4,b5,b6,b7}. Once again, there is no #2 in the spelling of that scale. I don't care what they call any given scale either really, as long as the nomenclature isn't misleading and in this case it is.

Originally Posted by Andrew_Pouska

I agree Locrian #2 is a theoretically illogical name.
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I'm not the only one.

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