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11-09-2010, 10:48 PM
| | | | An example of playing dead center and behind the beat at the same groove..
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Listen to the chorus!!
At 0:54
Isn`t he playing dead, and those chords he anticipate behind the beat??
I listen those chords that changes on the 4+ more lazy than those that lay on 1.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uux4xtkLke0
I am right?????
This is from a session guy of Argentina his name is Guillermo Vadala one of the best bass players of soputh america.
I think it is a very simple line, but a very good example of how to groove those straight 8ths...What do you think??
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11-09-2010, 10:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anasleim, CA | | | Are you talking about the chord changes on the 4+ instead of the 1? |
11-09-2010, 11:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Maryland, USA | | | He is "leading" the chord. That's very common phrasing in jazz. Sting did lots of "leading the chord" stuff on the 1st and 2nd Police album.
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11-09-2010, 11:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anasleim, CA | | | OP, if that's what you're talking about, that's where the chord changes. Notice how the guitar is doing the same thing?
Playing "behind" the beat and "ahead" of the beat is a rhythmic thing. It describes where the notes fall relative to the tempo pulses, not when the chord changes. |
11-09-2010, 11:22 PM
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OP, if that's what you're talking about, that's where the chord changes. Notice how the guitar is doing the same thing?
| Exactly.
The 2nd, 4th and 6th chord changes are simply 'pushed' or anticipated by an eighth note - nothing spectacular or ground-breaking.
The kick drum even 'pushes' the 4th chord change.  |
11-09-2010, 11:27 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anasleim, CA | | If you wanna hear what playing "behind the beat" sounds like, check out the drumming on this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbrjRKB586s |
11-10-2010, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stick_Player  Exactly.
The 2nd, 4th and 6th chord changes are simply 'pushed' or anticipated by an eighth note - nothing spectacular or ground-breaking.
The kick drum even 'pushes' the 4th chord change. | I`ve noticed the anticipation, however I was not refering to that.. I am refering to the feel of what he is playing..the rhytmic thing, first behind and then on top of the beat at the next chord. Can you listen it?
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11-10-2010, 03:41 PM
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11-10-2010, 03:53 PM
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Actually that's an example of balls on dead center of the beat playing. But the natural tendency at that tempo is the rush and you can feel everyone wanting to move it but being held back by Bonzo's tenacious groove.
To the OP, that's called anticipating the beat. Playing on top or behind the beat is a completely different thing.
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11-10-2010, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by plangentmusic Actually that's an example of balls on dead center of the beat playing. But the natural tendency at that tempo is the rush and you can feel everyone wanting to move it but being held back by Bonzo's tenacious groove. | Yeah, this is most absolutely not an example of playing behind the beat, not by a long shot.
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11-10-2010, 04:03 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Manhattan | | | Geddy plays a little on top. Roger Waters plays a little behind. In general, a bassist should try to be dead center.
It all depends on the drummer.
In Iron Maiden for example (when they had only 2 guitarists, at least) they ALL sound like they're on the edge but the time is dead on. THAT is a special kind of groove. |
11-10-2010, 07:16 PM
| | | | I am not talking about leading the chord or anticipating....IMO it is clear he plays on top laying foward on those chords he anticipate of the chorus...He anticipate the chords and lay foward, I feel it...but I am not so experiencie
I think everyone that`ve answered here was refering to the anticipation, I know he is anticipating to the chord as well the guitar, but he also plays on top in those chords in all the measure..A different feel than those chords that donpt anticipate of the chorus...sory for my bad english |
11-10-2010, 07:47 PM
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11-10-2010, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM i think he's on the beat dead on personally. | On both chords??
It seems in the chords he anticipate he plays more on top..or dead center when he anticipate and behind on the other chords.
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11-10-2010, 08:12 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ontario | | | I hear what you mean. He does play slightly off on some of those 1's on the chorus. Works very nicely...
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11-10-2010, 08:13 PM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | i think that's an illusion based on him coming in on the next chord on the and of 4 instead of the 1. i think you may feel like it sounds rushed at that part and then gets behind the beat by comparison. but that style of rock almost always has the bass on the beat. i don't know, i might have heard it wrong, but that's how i hear it, bro.
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11-10-2010, 08:16 PM
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11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dvh I hear what you mean. He does play slightly off on some of those 1's on the chorus. Works very nicely... | he's not off on them...he's not playing them. he's hitting the chord change on the and of 4 and skipping the 1. that gives the illusion that he's behind the beat.
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11-10-2010, 08:17 PM
| | | | He's playing straight down the middle. Not ahead or behind at all and thats a fact. |
11-10-2010, 08:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ontario | | | Maybe it's a matter of semantics: Hitting on the and of the 4 and skipping the 1, or, behind the beat...
Whatever. I;m Listening to Blossom Dearie doing "They Say it's Spring". Much better anyway...
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