Fakebooks/New Real Book Questions - Page 2

Aaron · #21 09-30-2001, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by Lance Jaegan
I'd have to recommend "More Than Just a Fakebook". It's a fake book of Mingus tunes, with notes and so forth about Mingus and by Mingus. Mingus wrote some great tunes, and this book provides easy access to all of them. As a bass player, how can you resist a song called "Weird Nightmare" that has chromatic changes? Honestly? Horn players can get mad sometimes though, so watch out.

Yes, that would be cool to have, but
A. A normal Fake book would be more useful for me than a mingus only one
B. I have some friends i would like to jam with
C. I forgot C
D. A mingus fake book won't tell me the chord progressions of a Charlie Parker song.

Yvon · #22 09-30-2001, 09:34 AM

here's one

ftp://www.pasq.net/upload/RealBookII.zip

Aaron · #23 09-30-2001, 09:59 AM

link doesn't work.

Yvon · #24 09-30-2001, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by PortraitofTracy
link doesn't work.

it's true I should have check the link before. The file is too big to send by mail, you have icq or msn?

Bruce Lindfield · #25 10-01-2001, 02:32 AM

If you look under "General Instruction" there have been loads of discussions about this very subject and there was a very recent thread about the Real Books - maybe this thread could be "merged" with that?

**embellisher** · #26 10-01-2001, 11:47 AM

Great idea, Bruce. I am moving this to General Instruction, where the Moderator can merge it into the Real Book thread.

**embellisher** · #27 10-01-2001, 11:49 AM

Chris, can you merge this with the Fake Book thread that I moved over here?

Aaron · #28 10-01-2001, 02:59 PM

Just today, i heard of a different real book. I heard it is a legal one that is somewhat around $175, and about 6" thick.

David Kaczorowski · #29 10-01-2001, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Ed Fuqua
CRACKHOUSEKEY - ya know I dint even think about the Aebersold books. In addition to STANDARDS I would check out the BLUE NOTE book, JAM SESSION FAVORITES as well.

Hey is your gig at the Knit still on? I know they've had to move some sh*t around because of the WTC thang....

I haven't heard anything. I was gonna email ya 'bout that. As far as I know we'll be there on the 16th at 8:00 at the Knitactive Soundstage or something like that.

And btw, the Aebersolds was someone else's suggestion, maybe Durrl's. I was talking about the Standards Real Book. The Aebersold books are great though too. I know some cats whose sole source of charts is Aebersold.

surf_slave · #30 10-03-2001, 07:02 PM

Hi all,

Well, I've learned a lot since asking around here about the New Real Book...

One: Get it in C! I had no idea that horn players sometimes read in "transposed" keys. So they read C and play Bb or vice-versa?!?! Strange. Call me a simpleminded bassist, but when I read "A" I want to play an "A". All "C" means here is that the notes played are the same as the notes written. I also don't see much to gain from getting the bass clef version: learning to transpose down from treble clef is cool and easy, and it's easier to hack it out on piano in treble clef, b/c that's how I learned. YMMV.

Two: The New Real Book rocks. It has a good variety of tunes and it is clearly written and easy to use. Make a tape of the tune, xerox the pages out of the book, and get to playing! What's really fun is to use the written changes and try to make up basslines to a recorded tune you know pretty well. I use the Pandora to remove the bass track, but I imagine you could do it with EQ too...

Three: The New Real book has some basslines written out, but not too many. I've tried playing a few that I've never heard, and there are some cool grooves. They tend to write out a lot of the funkier stuff, where the bassline is more front-and-center in the music.

Now the Aebersold stuff. I ordered one of their books (Herbie Hancock), and it also looks pretty good. It's also nice (for me) to be able to focus on a single composer/genre. I guess I see the two series as natural complements: get the NRB for a general reference (ie if you're gigging or just want to expand your repertoire) and the Aebersold series of your choosing to focus on a certain writer/performer.

In sum, thanks all for pointing me toward C clef, and NRB Volume I. I may pick up another someday when I get done working my way through this one. I'm not gigging or anything, so I'm just working through it for myself. If I learn 2 tunes per week, I'll buy Volume II in a year or two. I'll update you all then.

Angus · #31 10-12-2001, 10:49 PM

How can you afford books and basses but not a teacher?

PoT PoT PoT...you need a teacher. No two ways around it.

Aaron · #32 10-13-2001, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Angus
How can you afford books and basses but not a teacher?

PoT PoT PoT...you need a teacher. No two ways around it.

A teacher is $40 a week. A book is $40 and it last forever. Would i learn more from a book or from one lesson? And the jesen fondation has no money.

reedo35 · #33 10-13-2001, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by PortraitofTracy

A teacher is $40 a week. A book is $40 and it last forever. Would i learn more from a book or from one lesson?

Your point is almost valid, except for this: A Book is a tool. A good teacher can show you how to use that tool to your full potential. And yes, with a good teacher, you can often learn more in a single lesson than you could from six months of reading through charts.

Aaron · #34 10-13-2001, 11:51 PM

Hey Angus, have you heard of Ben Musa? I used to take lessons with him. I think my brother said it best, "I paid $100 for him to teach me how to tune, and i could have figured that out on my own!!!"

beermonkey · #35 10-25-2001, 06:52 PM

The best fake books are the illegal ones. Go to your local universities jazz department and start asking around, someone will know how to get them. I think I paid around $40 per volume almost 10 years ago.

Bruce Lindfield · #36 10-26-2001, 03:33 AM

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Originally posted by beermonkey
The best fake books are the illegal ones. Go to your local universities jazz department and start asking around, someone will know how to get them. I think I paid around $40 per volume almost 10 years ago.

Why are they better? I though the general wisdom was that they were full of errors?

Richard Lindsey · #37 10-26-2001, 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by beermonkey
The best fake books are the illegal ones. Go to your local universities jazz department and start asking around, someone will know how to get them. I think I paid around $40 per volume almost 10 years ago.

I remember scoring some of those too, but I don't actually think they're better any more. From what I've seen, I think the Sher books are generally superior to the old "illegal" Real Books. As an illustration, just check out how the Monk tunes are handled. The way "Round Midnight," for example, is rendered in the Sher book is a lot closer to the way I hear most pros do it than the Real Book version is. And I like the way you get alternate changes in the Sher books. I'm sure they have plenty to quibble about in them ("This isn't the way I play it, dammit!"), but all in all I'd rather work with the Sher books.