fifth notes?

[desdinovabass]

i was with a few of my buddies tonight and we were talkin about music, notation and all that good stuff and we were wondering if there was such a thing as a fifth note, not talking about intervals and semitones, but as in terms of quater notes, half notes amd so on. so i was curious if anyone else has thought about this, is there such a thing? how would you count it? or are me and my freinds just crazy?

i wasn't entirely sure where to put this it might belong in misc. but i wasn't sure, i apologize if this needs to be moved or anything

[LM Bass]

Nope. But the Brits have hemi-demi-semi-quavers!

Check out http://www.musictheory.net for answers to many questions of this type.
Best,
Laurence

[l0calh05t]

well, kinda you know triplets right? There are also "n-tuplets" so you could do the same with 5 (actually happens sometimes, for example here: http://www.subwaytosally.de/_downloads/noten_kleid.pdf)

counting this kind of stuff is pretty difficult

[l0calh05t]

oh, and of course if you have a 5/4 bar the quarters will effectively be fifths

[dlloyd]

Originally Posted by l0calh05t

oh, and of course if you have a 5/4 bar the quarters will effectively be fifths

You'd still call them quarters though. Or crotchets, which is slightly more amusing.

[l0calh05t]

Originally Posted by dlloyd

You'd still call them quarters though. Or crotchets, which is slightly more amusing.

Yeah, but you migt have noticed that i said "effectively"

[mbeall]

Even if you don't work the entire book, which takes a long time unless you grew up playing tablas, this is quite handy as a reference:

POLYRHYTHMS - THE MUSICIAN'S GUIDE Peter Magadini

Just look it up on google.


Mike

[dlloyd]

Originally Posted by l0calh05t

Yeah, but you migt have noticed that i said "effectively"

That assumes that "whole note" means a note that lasts a whole bar. It doesn't.

It's confusing terminology but I guess we're pretty much stuck with it.

[l0calh05t]

Originally Posted by dlloyd

That assumes that "whole note" means a note that lasts a whole bar. It doesn't.

It's confusing terminology but I guess we're pretty much stuck with it.

yes, but the term whole note is based on the fact that most music is 4/4 (so that the whole note normally is a whole bar)

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by LM Bass

Nope. But the Brits have hemi-demi-semi-quavers!

Maybe off topic - but what do Germans, Italians, French etc call these?

[dlloyd]

Originally Posted by l0calh05t

yes, but the term whole note is based on the fact that most music is 4/4 (so that the whole note normally is a whole bar)

It certainly implies that, which is why I think it's a dumb term and will battle on with the semibreve. I'll also fight for the reintroduction of the "breve" (looks like a semibreve with a sort-of knife and fork thing going on to the left and right of the note) which is worth eight crotchets.

[l0calh05t]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield

Maybe off topic - but what do Germans, Italians, French etc call these?

Germans call them, Ganze, Halbe, Viertel, Achtel etc. (so basically the usual with whole, half, quarter and eight etc. except in german)

The only strange thing we do is call Bb B and B H

[Bruce Lindfield]

Originally Posted by l0calh05t

Germans call them, Ganze, Halbe, Viertel, Achtel etc. (so basically the usual with whole, half, quarter and eight etc. except in german)

The only strange thing we do is call Bb B and B H

I just assumed it was a translation or literal equivalent?

So my feeling was that "Classical" theorists in the UK use quaver, crotchet etc. - whereas Jazz teachers tend to refer to quarter notes etc.

[l0calh05t]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield

I just assumed it was a translation or literal equivalent?

So my feeling was that "Classical" theorists in the UK use quaver, crotchet etc. - whereas Jazz teachers tend to refer to quarter notes etc.

Yeah, its a literal equivalent.

[the ombudsman]

Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield

Maybe off topic - but what do Germans, Italians, French etc call these?

In French:
Whole note = Ronde
Half note = Blanche
Quarter note = Noire
Eighth note = Croche
Sixteenth note = Double croche
Thirty-second note = Triple croche
Sixty-fourth note = Quadruple croche

Is a quaver the equivalent of a whole note?

[dlloyd]

Originally Posted by the ombudsman

In French:
Whole note = Ronde
Half note = Blanche
Quarter note = Noire
Eighth note = Croche
Sixteenth note = Double croche
Thirty-second note = Triple croche
Sixty-fourth note = Quadruple croche

Is a quaver the equivalent of a whole note?

UK "classical" terminology;

Two whole notes = Breve (I have seen this once, maybe fifteen years ago, in an orchestral score that, itself, was very, very old)
Whole note = Semibreve
Half note = Minim
Quarter note = Crotchet
Eighth note = Quaver
Sixteenth note = Semiquaver
Thirty-second note = Demisemiquaver
Sixty-fourth note = Hemidemisemiquaver.

[l0calh05t]

Originally Posted by the ombudsman

In French:
Whole note = Ronde
Half note = Blanche
Quarter note = Noire
Eighth note = Croche
Sixteenth note = Double croche
Thirty-second note = Triple croche
Sixty-fourth note = Quadruple croche

Is a quaver the equivalent of a whole note?

Heh, so the french chose the names for the notes by how they look...

[the ombudsman]

Originally Posted by dlloyd

UK "classical" terminology;

Two whole notes = Breve (I have seen this once, maybe fifteen years ago, in an orchestral score that, itself, was very, very old)
Whole note = Semibreve
Half note = Minim
Quarter note = Crotchet
Eighth note = Quaver
Sixteenth note = Semiquaver
Thirty-second note = Demisemiquaver
Sixty-fourth note = Hemidemisemiquaver.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by l0calh05t

Heh, so the french chose the names for the notes by how they look...

Seems so!

[desdinovabass]

thanks for the replies guys, i think my lead guitarist is going to try and invent the fifth note just so we can mess with our drummer, haha

[cowsgomoo]

the magic word is 'hippopotamus'

set your metronome and say 'hippopotamus' over each beat...

there's yer quintuplet (well, one phrased as 2 + 3 anyway)