Going through the basics, almost done! =) Need scale and misc help

[Stumbo]

I'm confused.

The OP's first post makes it seem like he knows very little because he "forgot alot or just f'ed it up".

By post #5, he knows everything.

By post #9 he's off to study his effects because he's learned all there is to know.

By posts #11 and #13, he demonstrates his knowledge deficits.

By post #18, all of a sudden he's in a band.

All the good advice given seems to be ignored or challenged.

/troll or ADHD challenged.

I'm just saying....

[JTE]

OK, so we can assume that you:

A. Know every scale listed by sound? It's meaningless to only know how to build and finger a scale, if you don't know what it sounds like.

B. You can harmonize every scale you know (see A above) so you know what chords are naturally integral with that scale.

C. You can hear a bass line and know what scale(s) it's based on

D. You can hear common progressions and know the chord changes by ear- e.g. ii V I, I IV V, I vi IV V, etc. etc.

E. You can play a simple bass line with the exact same groove for 15 minutes straight- e.g. "I"ll Take You There", "Ball Of Confusion", etc.

F. You can play a supportive bassline for a 12-bar blues withoug getting bored, or boring the others in the band, yet without stepping on anyone's toes.

Sounds good- now all you need to do is lean a bunch of songs, and play every chance you get, no matter the gig.

jte

[Jim Carr]

Originally Posted by Stumbo

I'm confused...
All the good advice given seems to be ignored or challenged.

/troll...

+1


Troll's love echo effects, I hear.

[backline112]

IN MY OPINION...

Man, yeah... Even I suggest to get a little humility, and realize that you'll never stop learning. You will never MASTER a scale, it's... I don't know... absurd.

Some time ago, before starting to take classes with a teacher, the only thing I played was Metallica, Rush, Iron Maiden, and stuff like that. But then I realized that Classical and Jazz require some deep thought and study. I realized that by learning with my jazz teacher I was learning by far much much more than studying Rock or Metal basslines. This I confirmed when I read a Jeff Berlin interview.

Feature Interview: Jeff Berlin

Get a copy of The Real Book, study Bach, Mozart... the mandatory stuff.

I'm not saying rock is **** I'm saying it is much more musically (intellectually, knowledge-ally?) rewarding to study Jazz and classical.

[tpmiller08]

Originally Posted by Stumbo

I'm confused.

The OP's first post makes it seem like he knows very little because he "forgot alot or just f'ed it up".

By post #5, he knows everything.

By post #9 he's off to study his effects because he's learned all there is to know.

By posts #11 and #13, he demonstrates his knowledge deficits.

By post #18, all of a sudden he's in a band.

All the good advice given seems to be ignored or challenged.

/troll or ADHD challenged.

I'm just saying....

Read it again man. Even read my older posts on other threads. I was in a band before I even joined TB.
I asked questions to see if I was on the right path, is all. I even said that at one point.
Also, I gave myself a refresher course, a refresher course that was done before posting this thread. The things I forgot or f'd up was before joining a band, and I wanted to make sure I had my compound intervals and scales down right.

Playing alone I didn't find myself calling on music theory for much. Playing with a band, I needed it more than ever.
I never said I knew very little, I said I was going over everything again, and would like some reference material, so I KNEW I was doing it right.

People were saying I finished music theory, so I figured effects would be something to look into more. I don't use them in my band is all.


I've yet to challenge any advice. Just simply put it in different words, or say how I'm not interested. Once again, I even said, I'm not interested in Jazz. Because I'm not. The style of music does nothing for me, its personal taste. But I also went on to say that I would learn it if I have nothing further to learn in classical theory.

I do have ADHD, but maybe you do to. Just read the posts FULLY, and you'll see that everything you said is off basis. I appreciate every little bit of advice I was given.

Everyone offers solid advice when I have a problem on TB. You....just say, "Click the link on my sig" and, "Maybe its ADHD" to everything. Try changing it up a bit.

-Troy

Edit : Asking questions is how you learn no? I can't just say "Oh ok" then just know things. I ask questions so I can understand things. If I think I know something, I ask "Is this what it is, OR is this how you do it?". I cant think of a better way to learn what people tell me.

[tpmiller08]

Originally Posted by Jim Carr

Get some goals beyond "My goals simple. Play music in front of people, and have people jam out with us to our songs, rinse, repeat heh."

Well give me a hand then

I don't have any set goals. I just love playing music and learning about bass. I do it for hours on end everyday. I really don't have a direction, or goals or anything like that. I say my goals are just to play in front of people and have then jam out, because isn't that a main point in music? To express yourself, and share it with as many people that are willing to listen to it?

Give me an example of an achievable goal for someone like me (I'll give you more details about my playing history if you need / care) and I'll reach them, or do my best to.

-Troy

[onlyclave]

Originally Posted by tpmiller08

Well give me a hand then

I don't have any set goals. I just love playing music and learning about bass. I do it for hours on end everyday. I really don't have a direction, or goals or anything like that. I say my goals are just to play in front of people and have then jam out, because isn't that a main point in music? To express yourself, and share it with as many people that are willing to listen to it?

Give me an example of an achievable goal for someone like me (I'll give you more details about my playing history if you need / care) and I'll reach them, or do my best to.

-Troy

Ex. 1 Write out all 12 major scales, 2 octaves ascending and descending in bass and treble clef. Standard notation only.

Aaaaaaaaannd go!

[tpmiller08]

Originally Posted by onlyclave

Ex. 1 Write out all 12 major scales, 2 octaves ascending and descending in bass and treble clef. Standard notation only.

Aaaaaaaaannd go!

Woot! Homework! heh. I'm on it onlyclave! Why treble clef though?


-Troy

[chicagodoubler]

Guys, be nice.

Repertoire- None of my students are ready to sub on my gigs til they can play:
What's Goin' On- Marvin Gave
I Was Made to Love Her, For Once in My Life- Stevie
What is Hip- Tower of Power
Birdland, A Remark You Made- Weather Report
Walking basslines sight reading chord changes at minimum 200 bpm
Basic Brazilian and Cuban grooves

Honestly, this doesn't even touch the stuff my "advanced" student work on... Other teachers have their own benchmarks, but for the gigs I play this is the "boys vs. men" line in the sand.


Troy, I've given you enough stuff to keep you busy for months.

My only other recommendation is to get lessons with the most qualified teacher in your area. You might think you're rocking the house til you get put in your place by a working professional. It happens to all of us.



Why treble cleff? That's where the melodies happen. As I said before, everything will come into focus with hours and hours in front of the piano.

[tpmiller08]

Originally Posted by chicagodoubler

Guys, be nice.

Repertoire- None of my students are ready to sub on my gigs til they can play:
What's Goin' On- Marvin Gave
I Was Made to Love Her, For Once in My Life- Stevie
What is Hip- Tower of Power
Birdland, A Remark You Made- Weather Report
Walking basslines sight reading chord changes at minimum 200 bpm
Basic Brazilian and Cuban grooves

Honestly, this doesn't even touch the stuff my "advanced" student work on... Other teachers have their own benchmarks, but for the gigs I play this is the "boys vs. men" line in the sand.


Troy, I've given you enough stuff to keep you busy for months.

My only other recommendation is to get lessons with the most qualified teacher in your area. You might think you're rocking the house til you get put in your place by a working professional. It happens to all of us.



Why treble cleff? That's where the melodies happen. As I said before, everything will come into focus with hours and hours in front of the piano.

How about a cheap casio keyboard?

The little I learned of standard notation told me this about piano, " The left hand usually plays the bass clef (C clef right?), and the right hand is the treble clef(G clef?)"

Is that on point? Because if you can play both treble and bass with one instrument, thats just plain cool.


Thanks for all the help chicago. Its really appreciated.

-Troy

[chicagodoubler]

As long as it has keys, it will open up your ears.

Just playing the corresponding chord in LH and scale in RH will give you a perspective the bass alone can never grant you.

Great advice all over this post. Good luck.

[EADG mx]

Originally Posted by tpmiller08

People were saying I finished music theory

Originally Posted by tpmiller08

Once again, I even said, I'm not interested in Jazz. Because I'm not. The style of music does nothing for me, its personal taste. But I also went on to say that I would learn it if I have nothing further to learn in classical theory.