Having problems with music

[DaveLaRue]

Hey guys long story short i have never been taught music by a teacher so i have some problems.my main problem is that (for now) i cant mention patterns.example when i need to play a solo over bad girls (from jamiroquai in the key of Gm) i play something but later i think it was not quite good.i know about relative minors , majors , triads , chords but when i see a C in the key of Gm (im talking about the main bassline of bad girls) my brain stops working and i cant solve that.Could you please tell me how can be there a C in the key of Gm and give me some advices for understanding music

[phmike]

"key of Gm" - G natural minor scale notes: G A Bb C D Eb F
"key of Gm" chords - Gmin Adim Bbmaj Cmin Dmin Ebmaj Fmaj
http://www.guitar-chords.org.uk/chords-key-g-minor.html

[MalcolmAmos]

Originally Posted by DaveLaRue

Hey guys long story short i have never been taught music by a teacher so i have some problems.my main problem is that (for now) i cant mention patterns.example when i need to play a solo over bad girls (from jamiroquai in the key of Gm) i play something but later i think it was not quite good.i know about relative minors , majors , triads , chords but when i see a C in the key of Gm (im talking about the main bassline of bad girls) my brain stops working and i cant solve that.Could you please tell me how can be there a C in the key of Gm and give me some advices for understanding music

OK the C is a C note, however the C chord would be a Cm chord. Keep reading.

Major Scale Chart
C D E F G A B...............Notice the C scale has no Sharps
G A B C D E F#.............and the G scale has one, the F#
D E F# G A B C#...........and the D scale keeps the F# and
A B C# D E F# G#.........adds the C#. Then the A scale keeps
E F# G# A B C# D#.......everything and adds the G#. See how
B C# D# E F# G# A#.....it builds on it's self.
F# G# A# B C# D# E#
C# D# E# F# G# A# B#
F G A Bb C D E.............Look what happens with the flat scales
Bb C D Eb F G A...........F has one the Bb, then the Bb scale keeps
Eb F G Ab Bb C D.........it's self and adds the the Eb. Same thing
Ab Bb C Db Eb F G.......the sharp scales did...
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
Gb Ab Bb Cb Db Eb F
Cb Db Eb Fb Gb Ab Bb

Natural Minor Scale Chart
A B C D E F G ................Notice how the 6th column of the
E F# G A B C D................Major scale becomes the 1st column
B C# D E F# G A..............in the minor scale and how the 7th
F# G# A B C# D E............column of the Major scale is now the
C# D# E F# G# A B..........2nd column in the minor scale. And
G# A# B C# D# E F#........yep, the 1st column in the Major scale
D# E# F# G# A# B C#......is now the 3rd column, etc. etc.
A# B# C# D# E# F# G#....Ask your self why?
D E F G A Bb C
G A Bb C D Eb F
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
F G Ab Bb C Db Eb
Bb C Db Eb F Gb Ab
Eb F Gb Ab Bb Cb Db
Ab Bb Cb Db Eb Fb Gb

OK now why is there a Cm chord in the key of Gm?

To find the chords made from any scale you take the scale's notes and stack them in 3rds, i.e. every other note. For example:

Gm scale has these notes:
G A Bb C D Eb F so stacking the G chord we get.
G, Bb, D, F as the notes for the Gm chord. How do I know that is a minor chord? Well the G MAJOR scale has these notes; G, A, B, C, D, E, F#. So that stack G, Bb, D, F has a flatted 3rd and a flat 7th and - wait for it - a flatted 3rd and a flatted 7th makes a Gm7 chord. Or leave the F out of the picture and you have a Gm chord.

OK that is how you stack scales to get the chords that go with that scale/key. Now you keep going and see how you get a C chord in the key of Gm. Hint - C, Eb, G, Bb and yes here again you get a flatted 3rd and a flatted 7 and that makes a Cm7 or Cm chord.

I know that went right over your head. You have to start at the beginning and eat this elephant one bite at a time.

Here is a good starting point. http://www.billygreen.pwp.blueyonder...20Advanced.pdf

[DaveLaRue]

Gm contains C of course im so sorry the key was F#m my bad...and i think C comes from chromatic scale

[DaveLaRue]

Originally Posted by MalcolmAmos

OK the C is a C note, however the C chord would be a Cm chord. Keep reading.


OK now why is there a Cm chord in the key of Gm?

To find the chords made from any scale you take the scale's notes and stack them in 3rds, i.e. every other note. For example:

Gm scale has these notes:
G A Bb C D Eb F so stacking the G chord we get.
G, Bb, D, F as the notes for the Gm chord. How do I know that is a minor chord? Well the G MAJOR scale has these notes; G, A, B, C, D, E, F#. So that stack G, Bb, D, F has a flatted 3rd and a flat 7th and - wait for it - a flatted 3rd and a flatted 7th makes a Gm7 chord. Or leave the F out of the picture and you have a Gm chord.

OK that is how you stack scales to get the chords that go with that scale/key. Now you keep going and see how you get a C chord in the key of Gm. Hint - C, Eb, G, Bb and yes here again you get a flatted 3rd and a flatted 7 and that makes a Cm7 or Cm chord.

I know that went right over your head. You have to start at the beginning and eat this elephant one bite at a time.

Here is a good starting point. http://www.billygreen.pwp.blueyonder...20Advanced.pdf

Omg maybe my question was all wrong but your answer inspired me a lot thanks !

[MalcolmAmos]

Looking at the chart I gave you, yes the F# scale has a C# so if there was a C in your music it was a passing or chromatic note. Look at the F# blues scale.

[Bainbridge]

I think I found your problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0MNttME_rk

Song's in C# minor, broseph.

[DaveLaRue]

Yes minor blues scale contains C too you caught it well , also i cant seperate this song's tone i think its F#m but it might be C#m as well.i cant remember the first chord of the song and songs main riff contains : B C C# G# F# A .C#m and F#m contain these too

[phmike]

Now that we've changed keys a couple of times -
What about the v chord in a minor key (G#m in key of C#m) often being changed into a V or V7? You would get a natural C in a G# major or G#7 chord.