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Old 06-06-2011, 06:59 PM
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Having a tough time coming up with a short solo.

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My bass teacher asked me to help out and play in a recital "band" that features two of his guitar students. We'll be playing Sultans of Swing, which I'm pretty comfortable with. His plan is to have each of us solo during the song for the length of the verse. I've tried for about 2 weeks to run up and down the D minor scale, and can't get anything interesting. There were a couple times where I thought "that sounds cool" but then realized I was basically playing a riff from Boston, and then oddly enough, Blondie. My teacher's advice is just to relax and play - but I really want some more preparation than that. So any thoughts? Thanks!
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:03 PM
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Maybe start by working off of the main guitar melody and seeing what you come up with. Just a thought...
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:11 PM
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Just work in minor pentatonic. Chart out the scale in two or three different positions and just get a feel for the different "shapes" of the scale in the different positions. That always helps me think differently and come up with something I like.
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I would also consider a scale pattern with perhaps a different groove or beat just to change things up. Plus, if it's just a one-time thing, no use to over-think it.

If I were to HAVE to come up with a bass solo for "Sultans", it would drive me crazy too. I think bass solos, or any solo for that matter really should be something you feel first and compose second.

Otherwise, it's just filling up space.

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Old 06-06-2011, 07:27 PM
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solo

I agree with the melody suggestion 100%

Learn the vocal and guitar melody and then play off of them.

When in doubt play the melody! Listeners love it to.

Remember to start simple and build.

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Old 06-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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I usually like to base a simple short solo off the main bassline I'm normally playing for the part, rather than come up with something perpendicular to it... Staying true to the chords, and continuing to play the same bass role as in the rest of the song is important, otherwise it sounds tacked on or even derails the momentum.

For difference sake I'll either transpose it to another octave (if feasible), or I'll just go in the opposite direction of it (i.e., if the bass line normally descends, I'll ascend instead), maybe putting ghost notes in to accent the rhythm, and maybe a little fill at the end of each phrase, while not forgetting to keep the pulse going.

If there's a section of the verse where the chords build tension prior to resolving into something else, I might do something like dig in harder and play steady eighth notes that start at the roots of the chords and then at the last chord move to the note that makes that chord suspenseful...

There are tons of ways to generate a decent solo, most of which I probably suck at myself... You just have to do whatever's in your ability that would sound most appropriate for the tune; make it about the song rather than try and impress the listener with your dexterity. A harmonically satisfying but simple solo that strengthens the tune usually sounds a lot better than a flashy horizontal solo that disrupts the dynamics and mood of the song.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:09 PM
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Thanks. Some great suggestions.
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Old 06-06-2011, 08:16 PM
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Let the melody be your guide. http://www.guitarkitchen.com/guitar-...hnique-part-2/





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Old 06-08-2011, 07:43 AM
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Listening to Sultans some more, I can hear some nice variations on the bassline, right in line with the chords, that I'll play during my solo portion of the song, and keep it fairly minimal when the other guys are soloing. No need to over think it.

This is a damn good song too. Funny - I always liked it but never took the time to dissect it.

Thanks for the advice, everyone. Maybe I'll even post a video if it comes out decent.
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