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12-08-2010, 08:46 AM
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Lot of you probably have a copy somewhere: if you ever get called to play "jazz" gigs it's pretty much required. The thing is illegal and has not author: it's got no corporate backing and no ads and yet it spread worldwide.
I did some research into the history of the thing and the way it's used: http://theaporetic.com/?p=1094
comments welcomed!
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12-08-2010, 09:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Dakota | | | I wish these would go away. The new "legal" books are really nice. Easy to read, lyrics, suggested chords, bass licks, horn backgrounds, etc. My quartet has switched to these. Of course, I still have to keep the other books around for when I do gigs with old guys. | 
12-08-2010, 11:20 AM
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12-08-2010, 12:39 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Dakota | | | At 45, I am close to being one of the old guys. I still wish we/they would convert already. | 
12-08-2010, 01:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Woking, Surrey, UK. | | | I bought my Real Book from under the counter of a Music Store in Miami in 1982 - once they'd known me for a few months and decided I was a pro and so I was a Cool Guy.
Reading the link I LOL'd when I saw: There are some famous mistakes: four measures missing from Jobim’s Desafinado, for example.
I had a hell of a job convincing some pig headed egomaniac of a keytard at an audition that this was the case - he never believed me!!. And many of the chord changes are wrong in the sense that they aren’t the chords of the song as written.
The point here is that it has the Right Chords - the "Real" Chord changes that Jazzers use, NOT the "pub piano" changes you get with the published sheet music. It was the first Busking (US Fake, UK Busk) book to do this!!.
Us Old-Timers (I'm 53) will tell you that playing the "as written" changes would immediately mark you out as a know-nothing pleb to be completely shunned/ignored by any self-respecting musician!!.
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12-08-2010, 01:20 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: arlington va | | | I posted it in the bass guitar and double bass forums, that's why you're seeing it twice.
I've had the same problem with desafinado--"waddya mean that repeats?"
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12-08-2010, 01:26 PM
| | Registered User Endorsing Artist: Carvin,Modulus, Hotwire & Conklin Basses, Eden Amps | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Nashville,TN | | | Fascinating stuff. There were many versions including the "Spaces" series and the "Spaces Solos" that were lifted from transcriptions in Down Beat, among other places. I much prefer the Chuck Sher series, better chords, complete arrangements, but there was nothing like The Real Book when it first started showing up at NTSU in the mid-70s.
I used to gig with a Tulsa-based saxophonist, the late Joe Davis, in the mid-70s and I was amazed when he didn't use one because he knew all the tunes. I never thought I'd be that "Old Guy" but now 35 years later that's me. I rarely bring a Real Book to a gig anymore. | 
12-08-2010, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PB+J I posted it in the bass guitar and double bass forums, that's why you're seeing it twice.
I've had the same problem with desafinado--"waddya mean that repeats?" | Try it with a vocalist - gets interesting :-)
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12-08-2010, 01:38 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle | | | I thought it was:
"Fake Book"= illegal,
"Real Book"=legal.... | 
12-08-2010, 01:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Haddon Heights, NJ | | | I got mine from a guy at a music store - they were stored under the counter. | 
12-08-2010, 01:59 PM
| | Registered User Endorsing Artist: Carvin,Modulus, Hotwire & Conklin Basses, Eden Amps | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Nashville,TN | | | The "Real Book guy" would come through NTSU (UNT) about once a semester. All of the students would tell each other, "Hey, the Real Book guy will be at this place at this time" and we'd all bring our $25 ( a lot in 1976) and get copies. | 
12-08-2010, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mambo4 I thought it was:
"Fake Book"= illegal,
"Real Book"=legal.... | The "Real Book" was the first organized Fake book (name for Illegally copied book) that surfaced in the 70's.
I'm not sure if it's just a rumor but I heard that it's Steve Swallows manuscript (Which explains the abundance of Swallow tunes) | 
12-08-2010, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Vogt The "Real Book guy" would come through NTSU (UNT) about once a semester. All of the students would tell each other, "Hey, the Real Book guy will be at this place at this time" and we'd all bring our $25 ( a lot in 1976) and get copies. | Same At my College. He was like "the Dealer". It was pretty cool because you had to have one.
I think I paid $40.00, but that was in '83. | 
12-08-2010, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy Vogt The "Real Book guy" would come through NTSU (UNT) about once a semester. All of the students would tell each other, "Hey, the Real Book guy will be at this place at this time" and we'd all bring our $25 ( a lot in 1976) and get copies. | I laughed when I saw this. Thanks for the memory, so true.
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12-08-2010, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PB+J Lot of you probably have a copy somewhere: if you ever get called to play "jazz" gigs it's pretty much required. The thing is illegal and has not author: it's got no corporate backing and no ads and yet it spread worldwide.
I did some research into the history of the thing and the way it's used: http://theaporetic.com/?p=1094
comments welcomed! | Interesting reading. Thanks for posting. 8-)
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12-08-2010, 02:12 PM
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12-08-2010, 02:16 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: University Place, WA | | | It's a shame I don't have a copy of the Real Book. If only someone might tell me where to get a copy *cough cough*
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12-08-2010, 02:24 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: PA | | | The article link was really cool and overall good read.
I grew up in Boston and yes you could buy these at instrument / music stores. Many a time I saw these pulled out from under the counter for a "quick" sell. HA!
Good times!
You can actually get these versions now on pdf's. Not that I have one... Ahem... I was just told that this was the case!
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12-08-2010, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Burlington It's a shame I don't have a copy of the Real Book. If only someone might tell me where to get a copy *cough cough* | My local music store has them out on the racks - they're legal now!!.
They have them right next to another book that takes me back even further - The Arban Cornet Method!!
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12-08-2010, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Burlington It's a shame I don't have a copy of the Real Book. If only someone might tell me where to get a copy *cough cough* | Umm...most music stores??? In 2005 Hal Leonard started publishing a legal version of the book(s). It is available at many music stores, and is superior to the illegal versions. http://www.halleonard.com/search/sea...feature=REALBK
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