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 funkybass 10-21-2013 12:09 AM

How to count this line

I've got sheet music for the school play, and I'm confused how to count this one bar. It's a quarter note, followed by an with note then two more quarter notes, the last one being tied to two eighth notes in the following measure.

 elgecko 10-21-2013 12:29 AM

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 Originally Posted by funkybass (Post 15017079) I've got sheet music for the school play, and I'm confused how to count this one bar. It's a quarter note, followed by an with note then two more quarter notes, the last one being tied to two eighth notes in the following measure.
A "with note"? Tied to two eighth notes? :confused:

 bassybill 10-21-2013 12:37 AM

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 Originally Posted by funkybass (Post 15017079) I've got sheet music for the school play, and I'm confused how to count this one bar. It's a quarter note, followed by an with note then two more quarter notes, the last one being tied to two eighth notes in the following measure.
Er... something wrong there, methinks.

I suggest you post a pic, or try recreating it in Noteflight to get it played back to you.

http://www.noteflight.com/info#/individual

 Marginal Tom 10-21-2013 12:39 AM

Assuming the "with" note is an eighth note, it's probably an error and the first eighth note in the next measure should be in the first measure. A tied note should never be tied to two notes in the next measure.

 mrbell321 10-21-2013 09:16 AM

the "tied to two eight" notes" is probably a slur in sequence.
How do you count it tho? What is the time sig?

 Lownote38 10-21-2013 04:32 PM

<-confused

 funkybass 10-21-2013 11:12 PM

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Here's a pic of the line. It's in 4/4.

 gr8bassplayer 10-21-2013 11:24 PM

 elgecko 10-22-2013 12:33 AM

Yup, that's a typo...or someone stole an eighth note! :p

 Ed Fuqua 10-22-2013 07:25 AM

What's that squiggle after the F clef? It looks like a quarter rest, but that puts the error on the plus side (extra eighth note). Unless the error is in the stems, maybe that last quarter is actually supposed to be an eighth?

 Ed Fuqua 10-22-2013 07:28 AM

Oh and it's NOT tied to two eighth notes, it's only tied to the first one. If you're referring to the other line above the tie, that's a phrasing mark.

 Febs 10-22-2013 07:46 AM

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 Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua (Post 15022044) What's that squiggle after the F clef? It looks like a quarter rest, but that puts the error on the plus side (extra eighth note). Unless the error is in the stems, maybe that last quarter is actually supposed to be an eighth?
I see the F clef, then the key signature, and then a mark of some type that is not very clear. It's possible that it's just a bracket that the copyist is using to separate the key signature from the rest of the staff, but I really can't tell. I think it would help to see a scan of the whole page rather than just the measure in question to see the convention used by the copyist.

 frebassist 10-22-2013 07:46 AM

How to count this line

As already noted, you're missing the value of an eighth note there--if you want to suss it out without asking the director, listen to (or look over) the horn parts. It's my best guess--looking at the two accent marks in that bar-- that the missing eighth is at the beginning, and that you're supposed to be syncopated in time with the main melody somewhere else in the band.

 funkybass 10-22-2013 09:21 AM

It's actually in cut time. The slash in the c was faded so I could barley read it.

 Febs 10-22-2013 09:23 AM

What show is it?

 funkybass 10-22-2013 10:07 AM

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 Ed Fuqua 10-22-2013 10:08 AM

Why are they putting a key signature in at bar 21 without any kind of double bar? Bad chart.

 troy mcclure 10-22-2013 10:12 AM

I played this show 30 years ago... which tune? I was a pretty good reader but I was better faker. Figure out what the drummer is playing and the left hand of the piano.

 HCEarwicker 10-22-2013 10:44 AM

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 Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua (Post 15022044) What's that squiggle after the F clef? It looks like a quarter rest, but that puts the error on the plus side (extra eighth note). Unless the error is in the stems, maybe that last quarter is actually supposed to be an eighth?
That 'squiggle' after the clef has GOT to be a hastily scribed eighth-note rest (or quaver rest as we say this side of the pond).

IME, not uncommon to see an eighth-note rest hand-written like that. Whatever, it's the only reading that makes sense - that completes the 4/4 measure. Seems likely from a musical point of view too - it's a pretty common syncopation.

And yes, as Ed Fuqua said, a legato/'slur' phrasing mark (in bar 22) was initially mistaken by the OP for a tie (which ties two notes of the same pitch together).

 elgecko 10-22-2013 10:54 AM

...or is there a dot missing from after one of the quarter notes?

There isn't a similar measure nearby that suggests some sort of repeating pattern?

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