|  | | 
11-05-2007, 02:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tyneside, UK | | | How do you read chord charts?
Sign in to disble this ad
Seriously, I've never used them before and I now need to use them. So how do I use them?
__________________
Mediocre Bassist Club #706 P&W Club #71 LGBT #26 Keyboardist #40 Quote:
Originally Posted by LowDown Hal Bass Players - Do It Deep | | 
11-05-2007, 02:08 PM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | | Left to right, top to bottom. | 
11-05-2007, 02:43 PM
| | activating internal kill switch | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pig's Eye, MN (aka st. paul) | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dlloyd Left to right, top to bottom. | yep....and play the chords indicated in their corresponding sequence. | 
11-05-2007, 04:04 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle | | | the responses so far are pretty trite, but accurate.
usually you just tap your foot, follow the bars, and improvise a bassline based on the chords, and avoid stomping all over the vocal/lead melody.
If you don't know how to improvise based on the chords, time for some theory study. | 
11-05-2007, 04:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana | | | Important to keep in mind if you see something like this - E/B - it means E with a B in the bass. You're supposed to play the B, and if you decide to add some chord tones besides the B, remember to play chord tones of E, not B.
Also if it's a Nashville chart it will probably read I - iii - vi - ii - V - I (or something like that), rather than using the chord names. upper case = Major chord, lower case = minor chord. If the song is in C, the I = C, V = G, ii = dminor, iii = eminor, vi = aminor.
Study some theory.
__________________
Church Bassists Club #62, Extended Range Bass Club #137
| 
11-05-2007, 04:30 PM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | | It's doubtful there would be any Nashville chords... I've yet to see them in the UK, although I'm sure there would be some instances where they are used, probably in the country music scene.
If you're unsure what the chord symbols mean, play the root note.
G
Gm
G7
Gmaj7
Gmaj7#11
Gm7
G7#9
You'll get away with playing a G in all those cases. You could even get fancy and play the fifth (D) as well, unless you see b5, #5, o, or +, each of which I think would be rare in your specific circumstance.
If you want to look really clever, add the thirds, unless you see the symbol 'sus'. You've got two options: if there's an 'm' in the chord name, the chord has a minor third, otherwise it's a major third.
In every case, the root note is the strongest choice. But it might get boring if that's all you play. | 
11-05-2007, 04:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boca Raton, Florida | | Its also a good idea to know how charts are structured. http://www.music-mind.com/Music/mpage6.HTM
__________________ "I cannot teach anybody anything; I can only make them think" – Socrates Bongo Club Member #28: Florida Bassists Club #15: Avatar Owners Member #52 | 
11-05-2007, 06:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | I love chord charts, no brain strain reading notes. First know what style the music is in. What is the time signature (if any) is it cut time (Latin chart)? Next check out the roadmap of the chart. Look for break or rhythmic figures you might need to catch. Any of ink dynamic markings, fermata's, maybe english things like "funky Barbarian polka." Any chords you aren't familiar with, spot any shapes of bass lines like slash chords that make up a scalewise bass line, or pedaled bass. Okay you've looked at it and should be no surprises. If a second or so ask the drummer what kind of feel he's going to play? He might sing a bar or two the feel. That should give you an idea where to start your bass line. From this point on its all eyes and ear. Listen to what's going down come up with a line that fits. Remember simple is better than stepping on a body part. Keep eyes open you line keeping drummer happy, keep band leader happy. Cool groove on and develop the line as you feel more comfortable with the tune.
Bring a PENCIL not pen to make corrections or make reminder marks. Erase when gig is over if only a one time deal that's why pencil. I usually keep a regular pencil and a red pencil in my gig bag for exactly this reason.
__________________
Steve Barnette
The Dojo of Cool :ninja:
------------------------------------------------------------
Practice is the best of all instructors - Publilius Syrus
Last edited by DocBop : 11-05-2007 at 06:05 PM.
| 
11-05-2007, 06:28 PM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by DocBop maybe english things like "funky Barbarian polka." | Hell yeah!  Of course the only time you'll ever see that is if you've been called for a kazoo session  | 
11-05-2007, 07:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: St. Paul, MN | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dlloyd It's doubtful there would be any Nashville chords... I've yet to see them in the UK, although I'm sure there would be some instances where they are used, probably in the country music scene.
If you're unsure what the chord symbols mean, play the root note.
G
Gm
G7
Gmaj7
Gmaj7#11
Gm7
G7#9
You'll get away with playing a G in all those cases. You could even get fancy and play the fifth (D) as well, unless you see b5, #5, o, or +, each of which I think would be rare in your specific circumstance.
If you want to look really clever, add the thirds, unless you see the symbol 'sus'. You've got two options: if there's an 'm' in the chord name, the chord has a minor third, otherwise it's a major third.
In every case, the root note is the strongest choice. But it might get boring if that's all you play. |
+ 1 on that. If you don't know any chord theory, you're going to definetely want to stick with footballs on the roots. If you know your chord theory, however, you can create a more interesting and fun to play basslines. You can play the arpeggios of the chords to make a walking line and such, but like the other posters said, you have to know the style of the song to determine that anyway. Again, if you don't know your chord symbols, stick with the root notes. If you know em', play some more intersting stuff.
I never really got much practice with chord charts, as in the beginning of my playing I only played in original metal bands who never EVER write down their music, and my high school orchestra, where we read standard notation. Recently I've bene playing in groups with chord charts, and I like it alot better. Less fumbling around with individual notes! | 
11-05-2007, 09:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana | | | I love chord charts/lead sheets too. It leaves the line very open to interpretation. Usually if a line is written out in standard notation, it generally requires you to play it as written, or at least close to as written. With a chart, I can make it mine.
__________________
Church Bassists Club #62, Extended Range Bass Club #137
| 
11-06-2007, 03:57 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dlloyd You could even get fancy and play the fifth (D) as well, unless you see b5, #5, o, or +, each of which I think would be rare in your specific circumstance.
| It's still a fifth - even if it is flat!
So just about every Bossa Nova and a lot of Jazz charts have b5 chords in them - but that's why you need theory - you can still play root - five - just a flat 5 !! 
__________________
“Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.” Charles Mingus | 
11-06-2007, 04:34 AM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | | If you really want to get to grips with playing chord charts, the very best thing you could do is to have a go at learning walking bass... That's even if you have no desire to play walking lines, jazz or whatever.
Jamerson was arguably the biggest influence modern bass playing has ever had, and if you analyse his basslines, they are overflowing with walking concepts. Take a look at Ed Friedland's book Building Walking Basslines.
Anyway, to try and clarify my rambling response further up in the thread...
A successful bassline always outlines the harmony, and many of the most successful basslines do this very simply. The clearest way to outline a series of chords is to play strong chord tones on the strong beats of the bar.
In 4/4, the strong beats are usually 1 and 3, 1 being the strongest:
|| 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 4 ||
The strongest chord tone is the root, followed closely by the fifth.
When you're reading a chord chart and you see Bbm7, the clearest way you can tell the world that the band is playing Bbm7, is to play a big fat Bb on the 1. The exception to this is when you see a slash chord, as Brad mentioned, where the intended bass note is behind the slash... If you see D/F#, you'll want to play an F#.
The rest of the bar, you're going to want to take cues from what everyone else is playing to determine when you play other notes. You might feel like playing only on the 1, you might feel like playing a funky 16th note line... as long as what you're playing compliments what everyone else is playing and reinforces the intended feel of the piece, you're fine...
As long as your line centers on the chord tones, you can use non-chord tones to pass between them, but only play chord tones on the strong beats, otherwise the harmony will become weak and ambiguous.
Remember that you don't have to hit every chord tone. The overall harmony is created by all the musicians and it's often sufficient (indeed preferable) for the bassist to stick to roots and fifths. Simple is often the best. | 
11-06-2007, 04:37 AM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield It's still a fifth - even if it is flat!
So just about every Bossa Nova and a lot of Jazz charts have b5 chords in them - but that's why you need theory - you can still play root - five - just a flat 5 !!  | Yep, but we're talking about a specific situation here. Fassa is playing in a Worship band that (presumably) aren't going to be playing much in the way of jazz. | 
11-06-2007, 07:01 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | But my point was that you can still play 'root - five' if there is a b5 chord, whereas you said not to!! 
__________________
“Making the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.” Charles Mingus | 
11-06-2007, 07:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana | | Quote:
Originally Posted by dlloyd Yep, but we're talking about a specific situation here. Fassa is playing in a Worship band that (presumably) aren't going to be playing much in the way of jazz. | Lots of flat 5s in Gospel, and a lot of the above referenced slashed chords, even in the simplest worship music - Chris Tomlin comes to mind - where the guitar chords will be moving around and the bass will stay on the same note. An example would be Israel Houghton's Lord You Are Good (not really very simple). The chart will read E - E/B - E/D - E/A - E on the verse and on the chorus there are no slashed chords, so the bass follows the chord changes. TP plays more complex lines, but the E is always there on one. I don't play his line, choosing to make the song mine, but the E is always there on one.
__________________
Church Bassists Club #62, Extended Range Bass Club #137
| 
11-06-2007, 07:36 AM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by bradjonesbass Lots of flat 5s in Gospel, | I stand (or sit) corrected.
Fasa, if you see any of these you'll have to play a b5:
b5
ř7
o7 | 
11-06-2007, 07:38 AM
| | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Scotland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield But my point was that you can still play 'root - five' if there is a b5 chord, whereas you said not to!!  | Yeah, yeah... see how trying to come up with a simple explanation made everything horribly complex!  | 
11-10-2007, 04:54 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nashville | | Quote:
Originally Posted by bradjonesbass Important to keep in mind if you see something like this - E/B - it means E with a B in the bass. You're supposed to play the B, and if you decide to add some chord tones besides the B, remember to play chord tones of E, not B.
Also if it's a Nashville chart it will probably read I - iii - vi - ii - V - I (or something like that), rather than using the chord names. upper case = Major chord, lower case = minor chord. If the song is in C, the I = C, V = G, ii = dminor, iii = eminor, vi = aminor.
Study some theory. | Except it won't be in roman numerals if it's a nashville number chart-it'll be in arabic numbers. This has to be one of the hardest things to explain on a forum.
-Cmoney | 
11-12-2007, 12:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana | | | You're right. my bad. 6/5 = 6 chord with the 5th of that chord in the bass...
__________________
Church Bassists Club #62, Extended Range Bass Club #137
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |