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Old 06-30-2009, 03:35 PM
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I know there are at least 1000000 threads similar to this one, and I've read through some, but I was hoping to get a more personal answer.

After 3 years of playing, I realize now that I really got off on the wrong foot. To make a really long story short, I tried quitting but honestly, just can't.

Basically, I started off with tab, thinking that was the easiest and quickest way to start playing. No practice with theory, no timing exercises, etc etc. I didn't realize how much this set me back until the past year or so. I decided to make the move to start taking lessons, but the nearest teacher I've found is about 45 minutes away, so I'm only getting to see him once or twice a month.

Now.. I know my basic scale shapes, major, minor, blues etc. But only practice them root to root which I feel is giving me absolutely zero musical experience. And while I can name the notes I play in these scales, it takes me a little bit of time to recite them.

Recently I've begun learning to sight read and learn songs by ear, but catching on is taking me quite some time. My teacher had me pick up a Jim Stinnett sight reading book and I'm working on learning a Meters album now.

I somewhat understand the circle of 5ths/4ths and can typically find out what key signature I'm looking at after noodling around on the fretboard for a minute or 2.

I know my timing is very weak yet I havn't done too much about it. When I'm not trying to learn a song and I'm just jamming or noodling around, I DO play with a drum machine though. It's when I turn that off (or before I turn it on) my timing goes down the drain and I rush the beat pretty seriously.

On a positive note, I am pretty happy with both my left and right hand technique so far. Not saying there isn't room for improvement, but I am MUCH more comfortable playing now than I was a year ago. I am a fingerstyle player, and am a little close minded to the idea of learning to play with a pick. As a young, extremely naive player, I really wanted to learn how to slap (like most new players) when I started, but have put that on the back burner until I gain a solid foundation.

I guess what I'm looking for from you guys is just some general advice for me to tie all my various little knowledge of different areas of bass guitar technique and music theory together, in order to give me the confidence I need to get out there and start playing with other musicians. Bass guitar is one of the biggest things that gets me through my 9-5 and I really want to gain the skills that will allow me to openly express the musical ideas that run through my head.

Thanks so much!

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First off, it sounds like you have to basics (and more) down pretty well. I have a friend in somewhat the same situation as you. He really didn't have the experience you have, but wanted to learn and learn fast without taking lessons. He purchased an inexpensive practice amp that has the input for an I-pod and plays along with just about anything he can download. Actually, he picked up playing by ear fairly fast and can jam along with almost anything and sound pretty darn good.
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Pacman's sure-fire scale practice method

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BE PATIENT! Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a solid musical foundation. Everything will become apparent with some teaching and some work on your part. But it's not going to happen immediately.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:45 PM
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Best advice ever:

BE PATIENT! Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a solid musical foundation. Everything will become apparent with some teaching and some work on your part. But it's not going to happen immediately.
+1 and the more you rush it the more frustrated you will become. Quality practicing over amount of time spent! I always leave bass music everywhere in my home so that I am always thinking music- and if you tried to stop playing but couldn't then that is a good sign you are hooked! Welcome to our positive addiction! In time you will learn to enjoy the way you sound. Record yourself and revisit these recording years from now. I have done this and it really helps me to realize that although when I think i am not progressing, i actually have.
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Couple of basic notes.

1-Play less and listen more.. if there's a tune you want to learn.. do not pick up a bass.. listen to what's going on.. when it happens and nuances.

2-Find a sympathetic tenured guy in your area.. get together and rip apart tunes.. have them do the "without picking up the bass.. what are they doing" analysis

3-Get out.. forget all the stuff you know and find someone/anyone to play with.. a good crash course is a great drummer with an egotist guitar player.

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Thank you so much for all the advice so far! Please keep it coming =)


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BE PATIENT! Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither is a solid musical foundation. Everything will become apparent with some teaching and some work on your part. But it's not going to happen immediately.
Thank you. In my heart, I know and understand this, I think I've just come to a point where I am so disappointed in myself for trying to cheat my way through learning.. Often times I wonder how well I would be playing today if I had REALLY put effort into learning back in the beginning. I know in the grand scheme, 3 years really isn't that long, but my train of thought leads me to believe that maybe if I had started really learning in the beginning, I would have so much more confidence today and would be more comfortable with the thought of playing with other musicians. I will keep truckin' though... I couldn't give up before, and I certainly won't give up now!
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Thank you. In my heart, I know and understand this, I think I've just come to a point where I am so disappointed in myself for trying to cheat my way through learning.. Often times I wonder how well I would be playing today if I had REALLY put effort into learning back in the beginning. !
Hmmph! you're too hard on yourself... you never cheated, you were finding your way, you may have burnt out too if you had REALLY put in the effort. I started with a 4 string, then a 5, used tabs, moved on to reading music, and playing double bass, now back to a 5 string. Sometimes I practiced 2 hours a day, somedays I didn't. No correct path, no straight line, no shortcuts, its your musical journey... enjoy every step, don't wait to get better just get out there playing with other musicians.

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JimmyM's got the right idea, be Patient!

It seems you've gotten the basics, but you're still looking for your "sound" n "style".

I would personally train my ear more; get to improv a lot more using your scale n arpeggio knowledge. this would help to develop a lot of groovability. Developing your ear will help you soar quicker.. you'll know what sounds good/right and begin to tie together the notes quicker.

someone mentioned previously to play with others. YES!! my skills improved the most by playing with other ppl and it was fun!!


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Sounds to me like you are doing a bunch of things right currently. It just needs time to grow. None of us progress at the rate we want. The thing is to quit looking at the end goal, and enjoy the process. Easier said than done for sure.

I echo the suggestion to get on the bandstand, particularly with people better than you. Nothing improves your playing like regularly performing. Keep up the good work.
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