John Goldsby BP Triad Pairs Articles/Lessons

[Commreman]

Does anyone here have all of the recent articles in BP covering triad pairs? Thanks!

[Chrispurchase]

I unfortunately don't have it but i was looking at it in the store the other day and i thought that the last couple articles are worth the cost of the mag by itself - Is the jazz bass book that he put out similar to these articles?

[bassface33]

here ya go

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ch-2010/109237

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ay-2010/112221

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ne-2010/113971

[Chrispurchase]

Originally Posted by bassface33

here ya go

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ch-2010/109237

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ay-2010/112221

http://www.bassplayer.com/article/tr...ne-2010/113971

I believe it's the one after these that the op is after

[Commreman]

I picked up this month's BP, and it was the last of the series over the past couple of months concerning triad pairs, not architecture. Thanks for the links provided, but Chrispurchase is correct.

[Commreman]

Originally Posted by Chrispurchase

I unfortunately don't have it but i was looking at it in the store the other day and i thought that the last couple articles are worth the cost of the mag by itself - Is the jazz bass book that he put out similar to these articles?

Goldsby's book is excellent, and is a compendium of all of the articles he had written to that point. I have it, and refer to it often!

[chop_1992]

Thanks for the nice words about my articles and The Jazz Bass Book. You can find some of my recent Bass Player articles here. The latest ones are not up yet, but they usually come out online about a month or two after the magazine comes out in print.

Let me know if you have any questions about the triad stuff. I also made a post here a while back on Talkbass, which also sums up a lot of the triad-pair information that I presented in BP.

[Commreman]

Originally Posted by chop_1992

Thanks for the nice words about my articles and The Jazz Bass Book. You can find some of my recent Bass Player articles here. The latest ones are not up yet, but they usually come out online about a month or two after the magazine comes out in print.

Let me know if you have any questions about the triad stuff. I also made a post here a while back on Talkbass, which also sums up a lot of the triad-pair information that I presented in BP.

Wow! Nothing like the man himself chiming in!

I love your articles and transcriptions, and I always come away learning a lot. I really enjoyed and dug into the series you did concerning analyzing "Giant Steps," and also the one off where you dissembled and transcribed "Mr. PC". That article led me to picking up a book of Paul Chambers solo transcriptions which has opened up my playing considerably. I'm strictly an electric player at this point, but the information you so generously provide is universal on any instrument.

I'm getting the sense that the triad pairs theory is similar to Carol Kaye's reference to "stacked triads", which I have been practicing all over the neck in conjunction with Jeff Berlin's chord studies. I'll look into the link you provided. Thanks John!

[chop_1992]

Hi Commereman, Glad you are getting something out of the jazz upright stuff and applying it to electric. The material that Carol Kaye and Jeff use all grows from the same source -- even though both of them have very specific ways that they like to teach it.

WHen I started out (also on electric), I went through all of Carol Kaye's books & got a lot out of them.

[chop_1992]

Here's Part 2 of the Triad Pairs article online . . .

[monroe55]

Why cant I see the exercises clearly in the articles from these BP links?

[chop_1992]

If you click on the smalll notation example, it enlarges.

[Commreman]

Thanks, John!

[monroe55]

Originally Posted by Commreman

Wow! Nothing like the man himself chiming in!

I love your articles and transcriptions, and I always come away learning a lot. I really enjoyed and dug into the series you did concerning analyzing "Giant Steps," and also the one off where you dissembled and transcribed "Mr. PC". That article led me to picking up a book of Paul Chambers solo transcriptions which has opened up my playing considerably. I'm strictly an electric player at this point, but the information you so generously provide is universal on any instrument.

I'm getting the sense that the triad pairs theory is similar to Carol Kaye's reference to "stacked triads", which I have been practicing all over the neck in conjunction with Jeff Berlin's chord studies. I'll look into the link you provided. Thanks John!

Yes. All this "triad architecture"/"skys the limit" stuff has been very stimulating. Im still having trouble understanding the concept of "stacking" one triad on top of another to outline "big" chords. How does one know which triad to stack for each chord type? Is it something that just comes from memory after really practicing/studying all this or is there a formula Im missing? For the meantime, I'll just assume I need to study these things for a few months before Ill be able to see the light of their function. Any links to "Carol Kaye's stacked triads" concepts?

Also, Commreman, how can I reach any link you mentioned about the author's breakdown of Giant Steps? I couldnt find it in the BP articles ( i need to subscribe to this mag). I listen to Coltrane/Giant Steps frequently ( the tune and the album), I learned the chords in the head from the Real Book but I dont know whats going on really. Giant Steps seems to be a milestone of some sort from what Ive read here about it. I want more info and I like these J. Goldsby explanations.
Commreman, where in Jersey are you? N,E, W, S? Do you play in a band currently. Im in NJ all the time and I read so many of your posts. Wouldn't mind checking out a gig of yours.
Thanks TB

[chop_1992]

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Originally Posted by monroe55

Is it something that just comes from memory after really practicing/studying all this or is there a formula Im missing? For the meantime, I'll just assume I need to study these things for a few months before Ill be able to see the light of their function. Any links to "Carol Kaye's stacked triads" concepts?

Hi Monroe,
You should have a strong command of triads in all inversions all over the instrument before you start to practice pairs of triads. You are right, in that triad pairs are just more harmonic vocabulary. If you don't understand just how to use that yet, you can take one triad pair, say an F Major Triad, alternating with a G Major triad, and see how that sounds if you play them up and down the bass.

But make sure you have all triads and inversions down cold first.

Also, Commreman, how can I reach any link you mentioned about the author's breakdown of Giant Steps? I couldnt find it in the BP articles ( i need to subscribe to this mag). I listen to Coltrane/Giant Steps frequently ( the tune and the album), I learned the chords in the head from the Real Book but I dont know whats going on really. Giant Steps seems to be a milestone of some sort from what Ive read here about it. I want more info and I like these J. Goldsby explanations.

You can get information, etudes and exercises on 'Giant Steps' in my book, The Jazz Bass Book. Otherwise, just listen to and play along with the Coltrane version a lot to get it in your ear and under your fingers. The most important thing for a bassist regarding Giant Steps is to be able to walk over the changes, so you can keep up at jam sessions. Being able to play an effective solo on the changes involves having a lot of "digital patterns," i.e. 1231, 1235, 3213, 1232 under your fingers.

[FatAndy]

I just ordered a copy of "The Jazz Bass Book", Cheers! I've nothing but good things about it.

[chop_1992]

Thanks, FatAndy . . . enjoy! Let me know what you think.