Originally Posted by chadgrimes
One drop I know what he said and I disagree. It's not common practice because I have encountered plenty of young musicians who have no idea how to do chord tone arpeggios. It's not common these days because enough old players including myself are noticing that students today are just running through scales when they solo, improve, and flat out just try and read melodies. Kaye, Metheny, Brown and a long list of famous musicians notice it.
Yes you know what i said Chad, but you did not understand it. So let me show you what you missed and what you are assuming.
You disagree with me because it is common practice.
But you have implied that you have no experience of "common practice" in other parts of the world, yet you have encountered these young musicians that have no idea how chord tones work......how can this be Chad?
How can you have no idea or interest of how music is taught, approached or played in say...the East of England yet you have encountered these all these "young musicians" in Lebanon PA?
You assume it is not common practice for older players ( yourself included) to have noticed that students are running through scales.
This is not a new thing, it has always happened.
I remember it happening in the 60s,..in the 70s...in the 80s...in the 90s...in the 00s and it will continue through the 10s, 20s, 30s, etc.
So from my answer you can assume that I have experienced all these decades in music.
So just in case you miss this point, I learned scales, moved on to Harmony ( the use of arpegiated chord tones in your words), before you were even born.....we all see this and will continue to see this...but why more so?
Simple the access to cheaper, better instruments, dis-jointed teaching ideas, complete lack of teaching or guidance, the erosion of proper and correct music lessons in early life, junior and high school, with well intentioned, but ultimately not qualified teachers or people, teaching what they think is the important parts of music.
Why do I ask you, with respect, to question what it is you are saying?
Well I have over the past five decades experienced many aspects and disciplines of playing music.....in many countries, so I have had to continually open my eyes and ears to what is going on in the world. I have not even come near to visiting every country, near mind every continent, but I have to assume with the vast resources the Internet supplies, as far as music is concerned, seems to have musicians of excellent standard, as well as there fair share of scale runners.
So the final part, why are there so many scale runners?
As I said the vast amount of cheap good quality instruments, with the easy to access ideas of the Internet, fuel a constant stream of players, not musicians, that have ambitions to be musicians. You also have the vast amount of players that do not want to be musicians but just play.
That is the same as the vast amount of people that do DIY, they are not qualified....so if lots of them start getting killed or injured while fitting gas boilers, it is not plumbers numbers that are declining, it is just hobbyists.......these musicians you claim to see that lack chord theory, by definition.....are not musicians.....if they were they would know chord theory, because it is a 1st year subject you learn..it follows basic notation, intervals, scales and keys....all of which are first year subjects that get taught so they can be touch on and expanded over the coming years.
So what you preach is not new, and the problems you encounter in young players are not new, they are growing problem...but they are not a new one. One of the reasons we do not worry about them to much is they like the idea of being a "musician" but do not want take the time and to do the work involved to be one.
We can see that because they are always looking for free lessons or advise, chasing ideas or short cuts to becoming better, actually the spend more time looking for short cuts than it would take to just do the correct work or lessons. Plus..and this is the big one..they always know better. Students telling music educators what they want to learn, rather than them listening to what the educators teach......how can the student be qualified to know what they need to learn without the situation of "the blind leading the blind" becoming a reality?....then we will truly have a problem.
Then there are those that no matter how hard they work will never make the grade for one reason or another, again they have always been there, but there are more of them because they have more access to the tools...but maybe not the skills to really learn.
There are still plenty of qualified musicians filling jobs, working, learning and expanding their craft and experience, especially in the countries I have visited and toured in, and I would suppose there always will be....
Anyway....just saying....or is that, long winded ranting?