Lil' reggae help, gang.

[skwee]

Ok, my friends:

I'm seeing a ton of mixed messages about reggae playing, and am in a little quandary.

We're doing reggae covers of some 60s stuff on our next show. A mentor figure (the drummer-30 yrs experience) years ago insisted that I play the downbeats, allowing the other parts to play off the dB. This makes the most musical sense to me. My younger colleague, who is of the guitarist persuasion (not a "guitard"--this guy is a gentleman and a wonderful musician whom I respect) has asked me to play offbeats, which puts me in alignment with his playing, and often the organ part. The tunes are his arrangements, so I want to accommodate him, but I believe he is wrong, even though he knows a lot more about reggae guitar playing than I know about reggae bass playing.

I've listened to every Marley song I own, but the trouble is that I can't really hear the bass parts, and I don't often believe tab parts/transcriptions because of sketchy online sources.

[bassteban]

If possible, try both- preferrably @ a rehearsal/practice- & use what works best.

[robboy]

Learn the parts from the recordings of Family Man's parts. It becomes obvious what to play. Also, listen to as much Reggae as you can. You have to learn the vocbulary of any style of music before you can play it convincingly. I think from what you are saying that your guitarist is wrong. I play Reggae every week with Island players and the guitar/piano plays on 2 and 4 while the bass plays downbeats in different places depending on the style. One drop, Four on the floor, etc.

[Jhengsman]

The problem is that "reggae" has become a catch all name of a massive genre. Perhaps the drummer and guitarist are both right. As I understand it you are not attempting to be a reggae band but rather add a reggae feel to some pop/rock standards. And its you and the drummer versus the guitar player? Many say that reggae is a bass and drum driven genre however for the casual listener its the scratch of the guitar which makes it reggae for them Probably something with the speakers like you have not picking out the bass in Marley's recordings.

Well a chain is as strong as its weakest link, you can be right and throw the guitar, singers, dancers...off beat. And it may be better for your band and audience to be wrong

[makkE]

Originally Posted by skwee

[...] has asked me to play offbeats, which puts me in alignment with his playing, and often the organ part.

This is just plain wrong.

Maybe this helps:

YouTube - ‪Reggae Bass Lesson‬‏

[AndyCotton]

Reggae is a mix of up and down beats.

The all-down feel in the begginning of that Ed F. video is more of a ska approach. A wonderful feel, for sure, when you're in that style.

If you watch a little further you'll see that the lines he plays are much more about the 8th or 16th notes and the way they feel, rather that always being up or down.

One common approach is to play almost continuous 16th notes while leaving gaps or rests (both small and large) in interesting places that will help it groove deeper. This can get too busy at the quicker tempos, so use it judiciously.

For starters, match the feel of your 16ths to the way the drummer is feeling the high-hats. Once you understand where [s]he is its ok to put your own natural feel against it. Its not about lining up perfectly, but complementing one another.

Another important thing is to be consistent with your line. Pick a pattern and repeat it. Too much variation takes away from the steady vibe of reliable foundation that you want to create here. And by too much variation, I mean almost any whatsoever. People need to feel an unquestionable faith in the bass wrt reggae and dub. Like breathing. You don't pay much attention to it until there's no air. Then you notice! Of course everyone loves a good clean steady supply of O2, though, and will appreciate it if you give it to them.

The Ashton Barrett bass lines in the Marley/Wailers stuff is pure poetry. Its hard to tell whether the chords or the melody or the bass line came first in almost all of those tunes. They all work so perfectly together as to be inseparable. As a result, probably not the best place to start unless you are covering Marley tunes. When I do play Marley/Wailers tunes, though, I love love love learning the bass parts note for note. Again, its like reciting the best poetry.

Here's a new tune that I've really been digging and I think the bass is pretty much perfect:
Black Dub - I Believe In You
YouTube - ‪Black Dub - "I Believe In You" Live Off The Floor‬‏
(that's a live version - you might want to refer to the album version for an even deeper experience).

[Intenzity]

Originally Posted by skwee

Ok, my friends:

...but the trouble is that I can't really hear the bass parts..

You can't hear the bass?

On a Bob Marley record???

[skwee]

Laptop speakers, my friend.

[AndyCotton]

yeah you're going to want some headphones for this

[skwee]

I also have a bunch of Marley tunes and live cuts that are using the bass organ/clav sound is covering up the bass guitar sound.

[Philbuster]

You can't really expect to hear any bass from any genre properly on laptop speakers!

Get you some headphones and start groovin. I sometimes even find it difficult to make out exact bass frequencies from recordings when I'm listening to floor speakers trying to learn a song. Of course, my room is 14x14 so that certainly has something to do with it. Headphones will help you hear the bass more accurately to learn the part. Stereo/floor speakers are good for playing along with the recording once you've already got the part down.

As far as playing on the downbeat or the offbeat, that's just gonna depend on the song and what kind of feel you're trying to give the song. I would venture to say a little bit of both? Kind of hard to answer without hearing the exact arrangement.

[PocketGroove82]

All great reggae bass lines have one thing in common. They are melodic.
Also, 9 times out of 8, they lay back behind the beat.

Try to connect the roots of the chords with a melodic hook, lay back, leave some space, and drop a heavy, thumpy one-drop.

Listen to 10 Foot Ganga Plant. LISTEN TO 10 FOOT GANGA PLANT.

[skwee]

Thanks, y'all. This is all very helpful

[Shakin-Slim]

Yeah man, lay back, play melodic stuff if that's your thing. Just chill with it. The rhythm the guitar lays down and that the organ or whatever also does takes some of your role away. But the good thing is that opens up a new path for you. It's not all rhythm anymore. But I would definitely emphasise the downbeat and let your melodic ideas sometimes accentuate the upbeat.

[voodoobassist]

I'm heading to Jamaica tomorrow. I SOOOOOO wish I could take my bass with me! Afraid it's not to be though...... Sorry that this is of no help to the OP, just had to get it out of my system.

[b_ryceeeee]

Reggae to me is all about feel and the vibes. The notes you don't play are just as important as the notes you do play! Play what your feeling in that moment.

[Session1969]

[quote=robboy;10932905]Learn the parts from the recordings of Family Man's parts. It becomes obvious what to play. Also, listen to as much Reggae as you can. You have to learn the vocbulary of any style of music before you can play it convincingly. I think from what you are saying that your guitarist is wrong. I play Reggae every week with Island players and the guitar/piano plays on 2 and 4 while the bass plays downbeats in different places depending on the style. One drop, Four on the floor, etc.[/QU

You gotta change it up or it'll get boring quick. I also look to make space between notes. That's the challenging aspect of reggae playing for myself. If you show your friend some recorded examples and get him to listen to the bass, it'll probably help him understand reggae bass better.

[Stumbo]

Maybe one of these links may help you out:
~Reggae
1 Reggae bass
2
Reggae broken down

[skwee]

Tanks, Stumbo. those are good links. I've been working on my fills, which is helping me to come up with the regular stuff.

[dbhokie]

Originally Posted by skwee

Laptop speakers, my friend.

If you planning on doing covers, or listening to other's bass lines to try and emulate or learn from then there is one thing you SHOULD (IMO) spend decent money on.

Get a GOOD pair of headphones, Bose QC's, decent Sennheisers, a decent pair of Sony's something. I prefer ones with noise reduction to really get into the tracks, but seriously, open your world up with hi-fi stereophonic wonder sound. Get some headphones.