A Lydian Minor confusion ??!!

[TheButler]

Ok, Mark Wilson and myself were having a friendly dispute over this. Due to him knowing considerablymore about the topic at hand i conceded that he must be right but i still don't understand it

Basically, i said to him I wrote this new piece in what i thought was A Lydian Minor. We then disputed what notes are in the scale and then eventually Mark concluded that A lydian Minor cannot exsist. I said A B C# D# E F G where the notes in the scale however Mark is saying without b3 it is not a minor and if b3 was there then it wouldn't be Lydian

[Mark Wilson]

Way to make me sound like ass.



just kidding.

[caesarbass]

For it to be "A" minor you would NEED a "C" natural. The scale you're talking about looks like a permutation of the 5th mode of melodic minor, R-2-3-4-5-b6-b7-8, and you're adding the #4 to give it that Lydian tonality.

[DocBop]

Originally Posted by Mark Wilson

Way to make me sound like ass.



just kidding.

It's hell being right.

I'm not sure what you'd call that other than a melody. Looking at it in A its has a major 3rd, #4, b6 and b7. So not sure in Western music a scale with two consecutive half-steps.

[TheButler]

So what i've done isn't completely stupid right

[Mark Wilson]

If it works, use it!
Think Bach said using a Harmonic Minor Scale wasn't theoretically correct?

Nah.

[caesarbass]

Originally Posted by TheButler

So what i've done isn't completely stupid right

Correct sir!!! I'd like to hear your tune, please post it!!!

[Audiophage]

Originally Posted by DocBop

It's hell being right.

I'm not sure what you'd call that other than a melody. Looking at it in A its has a major 3rd, #4, b6 and b7. So not sure in Western music a scale with two consecutive half-steps.

The blues scale has 2 consecutive half steps. It's definitely a scale, just a weird one.

[DocBop]

Originally Posted by Audiophage

The blues scale has 2 consecutive half steps. It's definitely a scale, just a weird one.

Ya got me. Guess we should add the Bebop scales and chromatic scale and have it all covered.

[ryco]

Originally Posted by Audiophage

The blues scale has 2 consecutive half steps. It's definitely a scale, just a weird one.

BeBop scales as well.

Just for fun: would lydian minor be R M2 m3 A4 P5 M6 M7?
A B C D# E F# G#
In other words keeping all the intervals major except the 3, which has to be minor to make this a minor chord. I dunno


^^^ Rats! DocBop beat me to it. Gotta be quick around here!

[Mark Wilson]

Originally Posted by ryco

BeBop scales as well.

Just for fun: would lydian minor be R M2 m3 A4 P5 M6 M7?
A B C D# E F# G#
In other words keeping all the intervals major except the 3, which has to be minor to make this a minor chord. I dunno

That would be the 4th mode of Harmonic Minor. With...a Natural 7.
It's something else, I just don't know what.

[Jazzin']

Yes, it is actually called a Lydian Minor scale. I don't know why, but that's what it's called.

A Lydian Minor Scale
intervals: 1,2,3,#4,5,b6,b7
half-steps: 2-2-2-1-1-2-2
notes: A,B,C#,D#,E,F,G

[DocBop]

Originally Posted by Jazzin'

Yes, it is actually called a Lydian Minor scale. I don't know why, but that's what it's called.

Okay I found a reference on it on Artificial Scales. In general they were trying to make scales with two consecutive half-steps. But how they call a scale a minor with a major third and no minor third not even enharmonically is just plain nuts, but thats me. Here is their explanation.

Synthetic True Scales

A true scale is one which uses the seven letter names of its pitches in order, neither omitting nor repeating any. Each pitch will be in order some kind of A, B, C, D, E, F, G (and back to A). These alterations are made to produce an exotic effect or a mathematical effect. The exotic ones typically use an Augmented Second (e.g. A-flat to B natural), sometimes to make up for having two successive half-steps (e.g. A, B, C, D-flat, E, F, G, A).

So learned something new today.

[TheButler]

Originally Posted by Jazzin'

Yes, it is actually called a Lydian Minor scale. I don't know why, but that's what it's called.

So, i was right ?

[dlloyd]

Originally Posted by DocBop

Ya got me. Guess we should add the Bebop scales and chromatic scale and have it all covered.

Hungarian minor, dude!

[Mikey D]

It looks like the 3 mode of the enigmatic scale...but with b7th instead of bb7th.

I really don't understand my it is called lydian 'minor' though!?

[Mark Wilson]

Originally Posted by Mikey D

It looks like the 3 mode of the enigmatic scale...but with b7th instead of bb7th.

I really don't understand my it is called lydian 'minor' though!?

Me neither, because it's not minor! haha.

[Audiophage]

It just doesn't have a standardized name, so there is no point in arguing about it. It fits all the criteria of what can be a scale though.

[Mark Wilson]

Originally Posted by Audiophage

It just doesn't have a standardized name, so there is no point in arguing about it. It fits all the criteria of what can be a scale though.

We're not arguing. We're debating on why it's not A Lydian Minor.

[TheButler]

I think we can conclude... i was right