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Old 09-18-2011, 04:56 AM
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Hi,
From what I've learned a riff/arpeggio? (not sure of the terminology) such as......

11 33 55 65 b7b7 66 55 33

has a flat 7 coming back up.

Do you always use a flat seven coming back up in a major scale?
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Old 09-18-2011, 05:36 AM
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Hi,
From what I've learned a riff/arpeggio? (not sure of the terminology) such as......

11 33 55 65 b7b7 66 55 33

has a flat 7 coming back up.

Do you always use a flat seven coming back up in a major scale?
What you've got there is a riff that uses the notes of the major scale. Your question about always using a b7......
No not always. The Mixolydian mode of the Major scale has a b7, but, THE MAJOR SCALE is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, then 8 or 1 in the next octave. Now coming back down you might want to liven things up - move into a riff instead of sticking with the major scale notes, in scale order - and I think that is what your book is doing. Scales follow a set order. Riffs use scale notes and put them in any order - hopefully that sound good.
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Major Scale Box. 

G|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

Scales
Major Scale = R-2-3-4-5-6-7
Major Pentatonic = R-2-3-5-6 Major scale without the 4 & 7
Major Bebop = R-2-3-4-5-b6-6-7 Major scale with a b6 added
Major Dominant Bebop = R-2-3-4-5-6-b7-7 Major scale with both b7 and 7
Natural Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-b6-b7 Major scale with the 3, 6 & 7 flatted
Minor Pentatonic = R-b3-4-5-b7 Natural minor scale without the 2 & 6
Blues = R-b3-4-b5-5-b7 Minor pentatonic with the b5 blue note added
Harmonic Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-b6-7 Natural minor scale with a natural 7
Melodic Minor Scale = R-2-b3-4-5-6-7 Major scale with a b3
Minor Bebop = R-2-b3-3-4-5-6-b7 Dorian with a natural 3 added
That’s enough to get you going.

Major modes
Ionian same as the Major Scale.
Lydian use the major scale and sharp the 4 - yes, it’s that simple.
Mixolydian use the major scale and flat the 7.

Minor Modes
Aeolian same as the Natural Minor scale.
Dorian use the Natural Minor scale and sharp the b6 back to a natural 6.
Phrygian use the Natural Minor scale and flat the 2.
Locrian use the Natural Minor scale and flat the 2 and the 5.

Your goal - be able to do those in your sleep. Use the major and or natural minor scale as home bass. Get those into muscle memory. When you can do those in your sleep go get two more. I think your book is giving you riffs for you to put into muscle memory. Gotta get our "stuff" into muscle memory. See (hear) an opportunity coming up in a song for one of our stored muscle memory riffs and be able to grab it and use it on the fly is what this is all about.

OK how will you use those riffs? Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9Cb...eature=related

Have fun.

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Old 09-18-2011, 06:29 AM
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Ah!
Many thanks. I'll refer back to your post.

I'm currently learning my scales and trying to work out myself different patterns of fretting them. It's helping with me learning the fretboard.


Edit: thanks for the links to YouTube. An Englishman for a change!

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Old 09-18-2011, 07:56 AM
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Hi,
From what I've learned a riff/arpeggio? (not sure of the terminology) such as......

11 33 55 65 b7b7 66 55 33

has a flat 7 coming back up.

Do you always use a flat seven coming back up in a major scale?
That is not a scale.

It is a riff based around a dominant arpeggio, very common actually, that is played in all R&R, Blues, etc over x7 or x6 chords.
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Old 09-18-2011, 10:20 PM
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First off, a major scale does not have a b7, it has a 7.
C D E F B A B C (C Major Scale) B C is a half step, and b7 would be Bb C which is a whole step.

What you seem to be confusing is the Melodic minor scale and the major scale.
To understand the melodic minor scale, you need to understand the natural and harmonic minor scale first.

Natural minor
A B C D E F G A

Harmonic minor - Raise the 7th to give it a Major sound.
A B C D E F G# A

Melodic Minor - Raise the 6th and keep the raised 7th.
A B C D E F# G# A
-When you descend in the melodic minor scale you play the raised 6th and 7th, but when you ascend in the melodic minor, you play the natural minor scale. So it would look something like this:
A B C D E F# G# A A G F E D C B A
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