Music Complicated....Na

[oldprussians]

Interesting.... I work as an IT consultant, but wish I was a poor musician..... need the money.

The one and only musically positive thing is that I have met good number of top pro musicians in Planes or Airports in transit, or working in Restaurants. And I tell you some of the greatest players I heard were struggling musicians earning a crust in Restaurants!

One lovely confirmation is that my thoughts really matched up with theirs.

Points:

1 There is no such thing as Genius or Real Talent. With out putting a huge number of hours in and I mean a huge number of hours, you will never know how good you are. Ludwig put 12 hour days in! Yes every one's different, Clapton will never play as fast as any speed player, but that does invalidate him.
One Data Base Lecturer gave the best advice ever! "Practise makes adequate"!

2 Music is no different to language, one needs to be able to:

Read
Write
Execute. err no sorry that's Unix...


Read
Write
Be Articulate
Listen and understand
Join in and contribute to a conversation
Adapt to Dialects

Obviously reading a comic is not the same as reading Shakespeare, or Goethe, or Dante, but the principle is the same.


Same goes for conversation, talking about the weather is not the same as giving a lecture on an important subject, but it is essential one finds one self comfortable in expressing oneself well as one intended.

Vocabulary, and grammar is important although being able to be flexible and natural is important.


And last but not least. Don't try to learn as an adult learns language in a night class! Be a baby, make mistakes and absorb naturally, it'll improve diction, and aid retention of grammer later!


I'll let you figure out which bits relate to which!

[JtheJazzMan]

No such thing as a genius? There is definitely such a thing as a musical genius, along with scientific, literary, philosophical yada yada.

[oldprussians]

Originally Posted by JtheJazzMan

No such thing as a genius? There is definitely such a thing as a musical genius, along with scientific, literary, philosophical yada yada.

really I no longer believe it!

There is a author mentioned by one of the above musicians I met on my travels.... that proposes this theory. all the Geniuses studied put so many hours in, that it is difficult to know how others would fair with out this. Admittedly, not every one can be a rocket scientist, but with in the confines of subject matter, if you catch my drift.....

I believe that there is almost Autistic disposition to a subject in order to give you the impetus to do dedicate time to it.

[Billnc]

Originally Posted by oldprussians

really I no longer believe it!

There is a author mentioned by one of the above musicians I met on my travels.... that proposes this theory. all the Geniuses studied put so many hours in, that it is difficult to know how others would fair with out this. Admittedly, not every one can be a rocket scientist, but with in the confines of subject matter, if you catch my drift.....

I believe that there is almost Autistic disposition to a subject in order to give you the impetus to do dedicate time to it.

Another interesting thing is an IQ of 120 is high enough to do anything. The rest is work. Lot's of Nobel Laurates have an IQ about 120. That means an awful lot of people choose to waste their lives I think. 120 is not very very high.

You disposition quote is on too, I thought I couldn't draw, I decided to try it, I hated every second of it, even though I did some passable things it was not for me, with work I could get it though. I can spend all day doing whatever in music.

[m_bisson]

This thread is full of poor grammar and spelling errors.

[stratovani]

Originally Posted by JtheJazzMan

No such thing as a genius? There is definitely such a thing as a musical genius, along with scientific, literary, philosophical yada yada.

Remember what Edison said - genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. The one thing I draw from geniuses is their capacity for hard work.

[Infidelity]

Originally Posted by m_bisson

This thread is full of poor grammar and spelling errors.

We are not in English class sir.


I have to agree with the OP but IMO there are geniuses.. I guess the OP wanna tell everyone is anyone could learn anything and it is not that hard..

[Gawd]

Originally Posted by Infidelity

We are not in English class sir.


I have to agree with the OP but IMO there are geniuses.. I guess the OP wanna tell everyone is anyone could learn anything and it is not that hard..

I don't think he said it's not hard. It came off to me as anybody can learn anything, as long as you're willing to put in a lot of hard work.

[M0ses]

This thread has been the first one to ever inspire me to turn the computer off and practice some more. Not that I don't practice, I just have practice time and TB time. Anyway, I'm off to shred.

[stratovani]

Originally Posted by M0ses

This thread has been the first one to ever inspire me to turn the computer off and practice some more. Not that I don't practice, I just have practice time and TB time. Anyway, I'm off to shred.

That's good, but to me TB time counts as practice time, since I learn so much from it.

[JtheJazzMan]

I understand the desire to believe that we are all capable of the same things, but the brain is still an organ and subject to mutations. Sometimes a person is born with a perspective and perception of reality that gives them an advantage in certain areas.

I dont think there are any bass geniuses - lots of many great players though.

But what about Stravinsky, Mozart or Schoenberg? What I would give to get a glimpse of their thoughts....

Mental variations are the hardest to see. Look at physical ones - how many people are really cut out to be top level athletes? Some people are born with mutations that give them superior muscles. etc etc