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Old 08-09-2010, 07:17 PM
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So, I'm trying an odd approach at learning the bass. Honestly, it's not my goal to learn enough to be in band because the learning I'm trying to accomplish now is purely therapeutic.

Anyways, in between reading around Studybass.com I tend to take a scale I feel comfortable with and try to write a song by tablature. I've written some good stuff (by good, I mean good enough for a nursery rhyme) However, I can never really make it past the first measure because it seems the rhythm starts to sound off.

It's hard for me to put into the words because of my lack of knowledge in musical vocabulary, but the best way for me to put it (in caveman terms) is that when I begin a song, the first bar (or segment of notes, if I got that term wrong) sounds good to me, then I move on to the next, and even though it still has the same mood, the way they link doesn't feel right. Is there a method to this that I'm missing or is this only solvable by practice?

I'm kind of self taught, I've had my bass for about a year in a half, but have really added to my practice time within the last 5 months. I'm trying to learn from Studybass.com, but I've been having a hard putting the things there I learn into practice. I think the order I've been reading the lessons is off, as I'm just trying to get good enough to just play to myself.

Thanks guys, I hope I didn't agitate anyone by posting a thread like this. I never intend to frustrate anyone .
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:00 PM
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Maybe a bass teacher and a piano teacher would help in your endeavors........?
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:07 PM
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No doubt, I hope to find a good teacher as soon as I can. Unfortunately, my schedule is filled to the brim with classes and work! I get what I can take for now.
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Old 08-10-2010, 05:57 AM
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Hooking it all together -- I start with the story, i.e. the lyrics. I let the lyrics move the song along.

The story leads to verse structure. I like a four line verse, rhyme or not depends how I feel.

I pick a cookie cutter chord progression I IV V7 I to start with and tie it to the lyric words like this - for a first draft:
Verse starts and ends with the I chord. The IV chord comes into play toward the end of the first line. The second line continues with the IV chord and then somewhere toward the end of the second line the V7 chord comes into the song. The second line ends back with the I chord. The 3rd and 4th line repeat this same format. Review -- I break the four line verse into 2 parts. First two lines will start and end with the I chord. The V7 chord is a climax chord, where does the climax happen? Toward the end. So my V7 chord is placed near the end of the 2nd line. The IV chord fills in the middle.

Now you notice I say somewhere, reason for that is I can not place the chord exactly where needed because that depends on the melody notes. Remember this is a first draft. Melody line and chord line should share some of the same notes. When the melody line moves on to notes not found in the old chord you go out of harmony and need to find a chord that has some of the melody notes in its makeup. And I have not written the melody yet. So ......

For the melody I move on to the keyboard. Much easier on the keyboard - an inexpensive keyboard is all you need. I write in D because I like to sing in the Key of D. Write in whatever key THE vocalist you are writing this song for sings in. If no one in mind then C is the easiest to write in IMO.

OK first chord is going to be D and lets say the first word is "Never". OK back to the melody and the chord should share notes. D's notes are D, F#, A. Recite the word "Never" and sound the D note. How does it sound? Do this again with F#, then A. Which do you like best? Well the first thing I found is that "Never" is going to take two notes as it is a two syllable word. I like D F# the best. Melody will normally have one note per lyric word, yes multi syllable words take more than one note, but, use the one note per lyric word as a guide. I really like drawing my melody notes from the chord's pentatonic scale. Pentatonic scale will give you three chord tones and two safe passing notes. Enough for a first draft.

What is your next word? What notes sound good with it?
Keep going. Sing the lyrics and find the melody notes that flow with the lyrics. Use the chords as a guide. You've got 7 notes in the D scale. I bet that will be enough to write a pretty good melody for the chord progression you already have.

OK this gives me a lead sheet on the song. Lyrics, treble cleft, chord names. Before bass that was as far as I went. I wrote lead sheets and lead sheets do not have a bass cleft. If you do not want to leave the bass line to the bassist then write out your bass cleft. Understand it's a chicken or egg thing. Some will write the bass line first. Others will write the melody first. I write the story first. Really does not matter which comes first its when you end they all must work together.

Now take all this to Mary Had a Little Lamb and write the melody to this nursery rhyme. I think that will let you see how everything falls into place and fits together.

This may help; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrDh0OFDCAk

Have fun.

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Old 08-10-2010, 06:41 AM
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So, I'm trying an odd approach at learning the bass. Honestly, it's not my goal to learn enough to be in band because the learning I'm trying to accomplish now is purely therapeutic.

Anyways, in between reading around Studybass.com I tend to take a scale I feel comfortable with and try to write a song by tablature. I've written some good stuff (by good, I mean good enough for a nursery rhyme) However, I can never really make it past the first measure because it seems the rhythm starts to sound off.

It's hard for me to put into the words because of my lack of knowledge in musical vocabulary, but the best way for me to put it (in caveman terms) is that when I begin a song, the first bar (or segment of notes, if I got that term wrong) sounds good to me, then I move on to the next, and even though it still has the same mood, the way they link doesn't feel right. Is there a method to this that I'm missing or is this only solvable by practice?

I'm kind of self taught, I've had my bass for about a year in a half, but have really added to my practice time within the last 5 months. I'm trying to learn from Studybass.com, but I've been having a hard putting the things there I learn into practice. I think the order I've been reading the lessons is off, as I'm just trying to get good enough to just play to myself.

Thanks guys, I hope I didn't agitate anyone by posting a thread like this. I never intend to frustrate anyone .
The answer is in bold here : ditch the Tabs!!

They have no rhythmic information like standard notation gives - so there is no surprise that you are out on timing!
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Good advice so far! Thanks.
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:10 AM
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but maybe you're not ready to be writing songs yet. I would recommend studying and copying a LOT of other people's songs and bass lines first, to gain some familiarity with "how it's done" so to speak. That process will force you to get your basic rhythmic and fingerboard knowledge skills together, plus it's fun! THEN it will be much easier to come up with your own musical ideas that work.

If you've just started playing and you're still having a hard time with the basics of music, then it's unrealistic to expect you will be able to come up with much good original music at this point. Maybe not impossible, but it's certainly putting the cart before the horse IMO.
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:37 PM
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If you listen to a lot of music and understand the styles that you want to play you should have a fairly easy time. For me, I'm just starting playing bass and I can write simple songs in the genres that I like (punk, doom metal). Of course I couldn't write complex songs that will be "good," but I imagine with time and practice I'll get there. Seems to me that the more music you listen to the better off you'll be. My friend has been playing guitar for years and he can hardly write a song because he just doesn't listen to a lot of music. On the other hand, I can barely play guitar but I can at least form a little song (even if it doesnt require as much skill as what he plays) because I listen to a lot of music.
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