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Old 12-02-2010, 09:36 PM
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I started teaching myself bass about a month or 2 ago...(I don't yet have a teacher)I can play a few songs but only because I learned from looking at tabs and listening to other people play the song I was trying to learn. I realize this is not a good way to learn but I need help on how to learn to play by ear. I just don't get it! How can I find out the notes if I can barely hear the bass line in a song? (ex: Right now I'm trying to learn roll over lay down by status quo by ear because this guy told me to... http://freebasslessons.forumotion.co...itten-t210.htm ...but again...I just don't get it!) Please please help me I'm kinda frustrated. And give your instruction in detail too. thanks.
Also, if you could explain it using this song would be great! cause I already know the 3 main notes(C,D,F) I could figure that part out mostly on my own...
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:57 PM
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I started teaching myself bass about a month or 2 ago...(I don't yet have a teacher)I can play a few songs but only because I learned from looking at tabs and listening to other people play the song I was trying to learn. I realize this is not a good way to learn but I need help on how to learn to play by ear. I just don't get it! How can I find out the notes if I can barely hear the bass line in a song? (ex: Right now I'm trying to learn roll over lay down by status quo by ear because this guy told me to... http://freebasslessons.forumotion.co...itten-t210.htm ...but again...I just don't get it!) Please please help me I'm kinda frustrated. And give your instruction in detail too. thanks.
Also, if you could explain it using this song would be great! cause I already know the 3 main notes(C,D,F) I could figure that part out mostly on my own...
As you say - playing from tabs is a dead end. How many songs can you put to memory? And playing by ear - can you play Mary had a little lamb or Happy Birthday by ear? Good luck with hearing what the bass is doing. There is a better way. First we are not playing the melody we play chord tones - the notes of the chords - in a steady beat/groove. So ------ if you know the chords used in the song you are half way there. Find some sheet music....... http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/be...t_ver2_crd.htm Notice the chords - C F C Bb G etc.

Play from fake chord or lead sheet music. Or find standard notation bass cleft sheet music. Good luck finding pop, rock or country bass cleft sheet music. However, you can find fake chord or lead sheet music on most of these songs. http://www.azchords.com/s/statusquo-...abs-39910.html scroll down till you get to;
When I got (D) home that night
Early one morning (E-F)
Seeing the (D) note written in ink.

OK the chords are D-E-F-D. Lets keep it simple right at first and just use root notes, i.e. sing the song under your breath and when you get to the lyric word "home" lay down a bass line of D notes (D, D, D, D following the beat) till you get to the lyric word "morning" switch over to E notes and at some point change to F (I don't know the song - you will have to work this out) keep the F notes going till you get to the lyric word "note" - from here you are back doing D notes again. Remember you are playing the bottom end - chords - the harmony part - not the melody - our job is to furnish the beat.

That's how you play from fake chord sheet music. Is there more to it. Yes. But, that is a start. See if you can play along with this' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUK5pE5x_6A
See what you can do with this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmsyYyUHZ_o&feature=fvw Just play roots, 2 beats to a measure, don't worry about the full chord right now.
Listen to what the bass is doing on this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61_wN2Euing&feature=fvw just listen don't try and keep up right now.

See where this takes you. Come back with questions. www.studybass.com is a friend.

In case you do not already have these charts. This will come in handy; Major scale box pattern. Red dot on the 3rd string 3rd fret and C major scale notes await you. Yep move to the 4th string 8th fret and C major notes await you. The numbers are the fingers to use, 1= index, 2= middle, etc. Place the pattern and let the pattern take you to the notes you need. Red dot on the 4th string 5th fret and the A major scale notes await you. Yes the F#, C# and G# automatically fall into the A major pattern.

Good luck.

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Old 12-02-2010, 11:52 PM
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Check out the links in my sig. below. Might be some info there to help you out.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:54 PM
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How can I find out the notes if I can barely hear the bass line in a song?
Some slow downer software will be your best friend.
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http://www.amazon.com/Singing-Throug...1359254&sr=8-1

You're a musician now. This sort of thing helps. More than you can imagine.

The ear training book by Benward is a good idea, too.

And yeah, actually hearing the bassline is a constant struggle. Invest in some quality headphones. Not Skullcandy, they wouldn't know hi-fi if it shot them in the face.
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Old 12-03-2010, 08:30 AM
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The PROCESS is exactly the same. There's a lot of different skills one needs to be "able to play by ear". That means you gotta hear, you gotta be able to find what you hear on the neck, and you gotta be able to move your fingers to get to those notes, and you gotta do it all at the right time. That's a LOT of stuff to learn so there isn't a simple answer.

First, the hearing skills you use to figure out the melody to "Happy Birthday" or "Amazing Grace" are exactly the same as the ones you use to figure out "Whole Lotta Love" or "White Room". The difference is, with "Happy Birthday", you already KNOW how it sounds, so start there. Pick a note in the middle of the neck. D at the fifth fret is a good one. Now sing the first two notes, that's all, just the first two notes. LISTEN carefully to the sound of the second one in relation to the first one. It's only one of three directions. It's the same, it's higher, or it's lower. So there's the first distinction you need to make. If it's higher, try different notes until you find what sounds right. Now play the first two a few times to fix the mechanics in your memory. Then sing the third note, and do the same process.

Now, MalcomAmos' suggestions start to work for you. If you're used to playing and LISTENING to what you play when you play scales, your ear and hand have already learned some relationships that'll help you find those notes in the songs faster. But that's only if you're actively engaged in what you play. That means just learning the fingering for a scale or a chord arpeggio is worse than useless. You simply MUST have your ear working on it at the same time. So, whatever you're practicing, SING* it, with the goal of hitting the note you want before you play it. You want your ear and brain to lead your fingers, not the other way 'round.

And, learning the basic chords will help a lot! The first bit of Jack Bruce's line on "Badge" outlines the Amin chord. "My Girl" is simply the fifth and root of the C chord. The basic boogie bass line is a dominant 7. So study arpeggios, again singing them as you go.

That covers the part of playing by ear that's related to finding the notes on the bass. And the more you physically play the bass the better your manual execution will be- AS LONG AS YOU USE GOOD technique. So pay attention to your hands and finding the most effective way to physically approach the instrument. Hint- the reason a lot of really good bassist look goofy is because they wear the bass higher where it's easier to play than lower where it looks cool .

Then it's the part of hearing what's on the record. There's technology already mentioned that'll help with that. And your study of arpeggios and scales will help you guess where things are going when you can't quite hear it. Plus there's the very liberating point that it's not uncommon. Will Lee has talked about coming up with bass lines for old records that have the bass buried- where he has to create one because the one on that particular record is lost in the mix. But the more you do it, the better you get. It's a time thing. Here's one good tip I wish I'd taken to heart 30 years ago. SING the line. If you can sing the part, then your hand can eventually find it.

And the ultimate secret of execution is to be very slow. Take things at ridiculously slow tempi. If you can't execute a part smoothly and precisely at 60 BPM, there's no way you'll play smoothly at 160. Get your muscles used to doing things correctly and then you can increase the tempo.

It's a process, and it'll take time. Just keep plugging away with a plan and don't let frustration take over.

John

*And don't worry that you "can't sing". My own singing was once described as "imagine a duet with Yoko Ono and Linda McCartney". The point is what you hear in your head, and singing, however putrid it might be, allows you to fix that sound in your head. So do it.
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Old 12-03-2010, 08:41 AM
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If you can't hear the bass, listen to the chords. Of course, there are slash chords (don't confuse him here fellas..not yet)

Take it Slow!!!! Every single person who learned by ear was in the exact same position you are in now. Thinking I will never get this!?!?!

But you will. Break it up if you have to. I wore out the pause and rewind button on my CD player when I was learning. Find something simple and go from there. What you will find is that most players after years can predict what is coming next by expierence.

My 1st song I ever learned by ear: 'Pusher Man' by Curtis Mayfield..simple.effective.funky
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